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To SoWrong,

I meant to post this earlier and didn‘t have a chance.  SHAME on you!  You knew this man was married.  You had to know you and he were headed in that direction.  Yet you decided to sleep with him even though you knew it was wronge and never going to amount to anything.  Being the wife who was cheated on I have to say I have NO sympathy here.  You made your bed now lie in it! 

I can‘t wait till this man is out of your lives!  Poor Zachey!  You both deserve so much better.  Keep your head up and be strong!  Document EVERYTHING!!!!!

I ‘m pulling for you.  Tell Zachey, Noah says "Hi" and if he were near he‘d share his new spidey man he got for V-day!

WOW!!!  I think you need to ditch the doormat you have attached to your back and consult a lawyer about how much child support you can get out of this LAME-O!!!  Sounds to me like this relationship of yours has been a roller coaster since day one.  This guy has absolutely NO respect for you and has time after time wiped his dirty, nasty, stinky shoes off on you.  I say kick him to the curb and focus on putting your life together for you and the baby!!  Run now, you‘re young!  If you need help find out how to get it.  This guy is too much!  Why oh why are still with him after all the crap he‘s pulled?!?!?!

I think it is cheating!  My husband had 2 girlfriends on the web.  There were the pictures, the instant messages, and then it went to talking on phone.  I do feel I was cheated on.  I had no idea what was going on.  Then I get into his email because he left it up from the night before.  I find out this had been going on for over a year and half.  I felt devasted and we almosted divorced over it.  Some men feel it‘s just a game but I say "can‘t you find a game like monopoly or checkers."  Please!  This was hidden from me and these gals had feelings for him and talked of meeting up.  Having phone sex is CHEATING!!!  When my husband is thinking of these women and telling them he loves them it is an AFFAIR!

Do you really think having an affair will make you feel better?  I know you are very upset with him right now.  It may seem easy to just go out and get laid out of spite but do you really think that will improve your situation?  Plus if he does find out you will be fighting in front of the baby for sure.  Babies can sense their surroundings.  Think long and hard before you lower yourself to his level. 

Do you already have someone in mind for your revenge?  Are you seperated from your husband already? 

Just think about it because I know right now this seems like a good idea because of your anger but be careful.  This kind of revenge can reek havic on you mind, especially your consience! 

Can you get to his phone at night while he‘s sleeping?  Unless he is deleting all incoming and outgoing calls everyday there is a record on the phone.  Jot down the numbers you don‘t know and the next day you can have a hay day calling and seeing who answers.  Just say something to effect of "I‘m sorry, I think I have the wrong number.  Who am I speaking with?"  Man,  I‘m a sneaky little wench eh?!  You‘ll have to figure a way to record his conversations to ever really know what‘s going on.  I feel for you because I‘ve been there done that.  I know it consumes you, eats you up inside not knowing!! 

Oh my!  Why are some men soo shameless?  Will wonders never cease?!  It‘s too bad you didn‘t flip off the camera and add a few choice words for this loon so he could watch!  What a creap!!

I too caught my husband the same way!  I gave him the boot but have since made amends.  I too installed something to check on what he was doing on the computer.  Ever since this happened he has done nothing wrong on the computer.  I also cringe every time he gets on though.  Hopefully time heals all wounds.  I don‘t think I will ever fully trust him on the computer so I will keep checking up on him!

M tv was huge!!  World premier videos you‘d stay up till midnight to be first to see. 

Flock of Seagulls?  Adam Ant?  I want candy!!!  Remember the Waitress‘s - I know what boy‘s want.  OK... visions of my last attempt at Karoke....hehehehe!

I‘m still battling the hairspray thing - I can‘t give it up.  I curl, I spray, then spray some more.  But I‘m good for the whole day!  Hey, I think I might be back in style!

I stopped by his house and see a different car in the driveway.  Knock on door - no answer.  Hop wall and go around to bedroom window.  Peek in to see her getting dressed sitting on the bed.  He‘s in the bathroom brushing his teeth in his tighty whities.  Yell in for him to open the door and let me in.  He intorduces us and she leaves.  He tells me "she works with me at the airport and got too drunk at the bar with her friends and came over here so she wouldn‘t have to drive accross town.  She slept on the couch". 

OK.  Why does she know where you live. And do all your so called woman friends see you in your underwear?  So, I say if this is all true give me her phone number so I can check it out.  WELL.............Dumb ass gives me her number.  They‘ve been dating for six months.  They are in love! WHAT?!!!  Where the hell was I, seeing that we‘ve been dating for 2 years?!

I worked for vet‘s for 10 years when I was younger.  To say these people were heartless is crazy.  If these people had more that one dog it was problem.  Other dogs will attack a dog having a seizure.  A pack thing I suppose.  Also is a terrible thing to see a dog bite of it‘s tongue.  I know how agonizing it is to make such a HUGE decision to put a dog down.  Most of the owners consider them like their children. 

I can remember multiple times the staff begged the vet to keep a dog or turn in the owner for abuse.  But fear of law suits kept this from happening.  I‘ll never forget the doberman/airedale mix that was an older dog that this guy neglected and just threw out in the backyard with no attention.  The dog came in infested with maggets.  I took to this dog since it was sooooooooooo sweet.  I kept calling and calling to check up on the dog after it went home and just knew it probably died alone in the backyard.

Also had a guy who wanted his dogs tendons cut at the ankles so it would not jump the fence.

A woman who neglected her dog‘s prolapsed vagina.  It was soo bad we had to do emergency surgery.  I had to leave the front desk because I wanted to jump over it and issue the lady a severe beating around the face and neck area.

I‘m rambling but when it come to animals I get testy!

I think the vet‘s behavior must be some kind of violation of the code of ethics!  I hope he/she gets their butt put in a sling.  I consider animals to be like babies in the sense they don‘t have a voice or choice. 

I would love to post a picture of my Grover but can‘t figure out how.  Any help???

Thank you Aqua

I‘m gonna try this out.  Hope it works. 

Rhi,  I am completly amazed by horses.  They are such beautiful creatures!  Until you are right next them you don‘t realize how big they are.  My friend has adopted many horses and let‘s them out when friends come by.  Most are like giant dogs and will come up and want attention.  I‘m always afraid I‘m gonna get a foot crushed!  He has worked with these horses to make them soo tame.  People get them as ponies and then when are full grown they don‘t know how to take care of them.  So he takes them in.  He didn‘t know the first thing about horses and now is a master at caring for them.

By the way Aqua our "snap" is a red eared glider too!

6-4-68

I always liked getting gifts twice a year!

Summer - Tell me about your Corgi.  Those eyes are sooo soulful in your pic!  I‘ve been thinking of a corgi when ol‘ Grunger passes.  ....sigh..... me having sad face :( 

  I have a 1 yr old Dachund.  He would absolutely love a friend that would play. 

Oh yeah - I know how you feel about having to give up your Dane.  I too had to leave 2 dogs behind in a divorce.  The Ex kept them both.  I tried several times to get at least one back.  The hardest part was knowing he would not be giving the attention they deserved and they probably never came in the house. 

1.  He left you when you were 14 wks pregnant.

2.  He‘s never seen the baby.

3.  He said you should have drowned her at birth.

Do the "RIGHT" thing and don‘t let him be her dad. 

Last night was date night for my husband and I.  We went over to our favorite hang out.  The sports bar is like our Cheers.  We‘ve be going for 12 years and know all the regulars.  Well we sit down and notice there is a new gal down on the end of the bar.  I‘ve never seen her before and she‘s hanging all over one of my good friends husband.  I‘ve also known this man for over 20 years, he used to work with my Ex.  Well my good friend is not out and hasn‘t been out for several months because she is very sick and can barely get out of bed.  Her husband seems to just be eating up all the attention.  This woman is caressing his face, holding his hands, and putting her face right in his.  Well it‘s funny how just yesterday on the boards I commented on how jealous of a person I am when it comes to my man.  Of course this is not my man but my friends man and I‘m there just steeming at the gills!  I know she would be sooo hurt and upset by his behavior.  I know if walked and saw my husband doing what he was doing I‘d lose it right there and then!  And I can‘t call and upset her, she‘s just too sick.  I ask another girlfiend there if we should say something to and her.  She says oh my boyfriend says he‘s a big boy and can handle himself.  UH NO!  He‘s a drunk man that has a sick wife who can‘t give him attention and there is cute girl with huge boobs (probably half his age)  throwing herself at him.  So she goes down and asks him if he saw the flowers they sent to his wife and how is she doing.  All loud enough for this girl to hear - so she obviously knows he‘s married!  This girl keeps going and going and I‘m getting more pissed every minute.  My husband goes down there and tells him to mellow out that he‘s getting out of line.  NO change.   Well time goes on and they start making out!!   Now I‘ve had it and I go down and  there and tell her I don‘t know who she is but she needs to get f‘n hands and lips off my friends man.  I turn to him and tell him he needs to get it together and get his ass home to his wife.  I tell him I should be calling her and he needs to have respect for her.  Well now this girl wants to shake my hand.  I squeeze the shit out of her hand and smack her wrist on the chair.  I don‘t want to know you I say.  She starts touching my arms and reaching for my face.  So I tell her to get her hands off me or I‘m gonna kick her ass.  She keeps on and we start this hand thing back and forth while I keep warning this skank.  My husband knows how I am and knows I don‘t write checks my ass can‘t cash!  So he comes running down there seeing where things are headed.  He tells the girl to mellow out and she throws and punch at him and then tries to head butt him.  By this time I‘ve got skanks hair and rearing her back.  My husband has her wrists and I‘m telling him to let go so I can hit her.  I‘m not gonna hit her if someone‘s got her arms.  I don‘t play dirty pool!  Well it‘s a stand off and the bartenders come down there to break it up.  I never get to issue the beating I think she deserves and things settle down.  The husband of my friend comes up as he‘s leaving and keeps saying how sorry he is.  Tell your wife not me!  Well the skank moves right on down to next victim and actually ousts two more guys who want to have nothing to do with her.  Meanwhile telling anyone who will listen she wasn‘t doing anything wronge and she‘s gonna kick my ass.  The  bartender finally cuts her off and we leave.

Do I tell his wife?  A drunken mistake on his part - let it go?  I would want to know if the shoe was on my foot!  Drunk or not I‘d be livid!  What should I do???????

Broken,

You are doing the right thing!  His wife is probaly totally unaware of what he is doing.  You deserve someone for you.  Don‘t share some else‘s husband.  You‘ll feel terrible later.  If this man is truly unhappy then so his wife and child.  But don‘t get involved with their problems.  Do you really want to be cause of their divorce.  I commend you on being a stand up gal! 

Aqua,

I have no idea what sex Snap is.  He? is so little right now.  Silver dollar size.  Why you‘re here I could use some feeding info for the little guy.  I have been giving dried turtle food from a can and the occasional crickets.  Any thing you can suggest to keep him healthy?

I like their music!  Mostly older stuff.  I love Judas Priest too!

I agree with you all.  Telling her now would not be a good idea.  She is very ill and half of the problem is the stress she‘s been dealt this past year.  I really think her husband is sweating bullets (if he even remembers) after the verbal lashing I gave him last night.   He is probably one of the nicest guys I‘ve ever met.  I am completely shocked by his behavior.  But I guess I was shocked when I found my own hubby was a terd! 

I wonder if I‘ll be seeing the skank in there again.  We usually go twice a week.  It will be interesting if she has anything to say to me.  I learned she was putting the moves on one the waitress‘ boyfriends not too long ago.  It just amazes me how alcohol affects some people.    

LMW - Here‘s a pic for you!  It‘s Toby Doby!

Here‘s one of me and my dog named Boo.  It was taken 20 years ago.

Jack wakes up at home with a huge hangover after the night of his office Christmas party.

He forces himself to open his eyes, and the first thing he sees is a couple of aspirins next to glass of water on the side table.

And, next to them, a single red rose!  Jack sits down and sees his clothing in front of him, all clean and pressed.  Jack looks around the room and sees that it is in perfect order, spotlessly clean.  So is the rest of the house.

He takes the aspirins, cringes when he sees a huge black eye staring back at him in the bathroom mirror, and notices a note on the table,  "Breakfast is on the stove, I left early to go shopping--Love you, Jill"

He stumbles to the kkitchen, and sure enough, there is hot breakfast and the newspaper.  His son is also at the table, eating.

Jack asks, "Son ..... what happened last night?"

Jacks son answers, "Well, you came home after 3 a.m., drunk and out of your mind.  You broke some furniture, puked in the hallway, and got that black eye when you ran into the door!"

Jack says, "So, why is everything in such perfect order, so clean?  Why a red rose, and breakfast on the table waiting for me?"

His son replies, "Mom dragged you to the bedroom, and when she tried to take your pants off, you screamed, "Leave me alone, lady, I‘m married!?

Broken furniture - $185.26

Hot Breakfast - $4.20

Red Rose - $3.00

Two aspirins - $.38

Saying the right thing, at the right time. PRICELESS!

I caught only the first part of that show.  I got too disgusted to watch any further.  It just makes me sick!!  It‘s really an eye opener for what kind of crazies are REALLY out there.  It‘s no wonder I‘m a freak about my son being more than 3 feet away!!!  He‘ll probably hate me when he‘s a teenager.

The man eating the cookie and thinking he‘s meeting a little girl........sick!

Hopeless Dreamer,

Will pandora pick up on hushmail??

By the way Patrick did your girl ever catch you?  Are these questions coming from the other thread or do you have first hand experience?  I‘m not tryin to get your goat but I find it very interesting that your so concerned.  I think you‘ve stated that you practice law.  Does this kind of thing come up often in your line of work?

I think if one has to do this kind of baiting there is a huge problem with the relationship.  Why would anyone be out looking if they are happy in their relationship.  If one is going to cheat - they are just going to one way or another.

I do not think baiting tactics are fair but sometimes they may be a desperate (to find answers) persons only way to find closure.

Digging in the dirt only gonna hurt! 

Sometimes it‘s neccessary to get dirty and break a nail!

Rylee has that I didn‘t mean to eat your favorite shoe look!  And Cozy - what can I say - I just want to touch those soft looking ears!!!!!!!!!

QE,  What are you doing?  The more posts I read of yours the more I think you almost enjoy the drama with this man.  You need to be shaken into reality before someone turns you in to Childrens Services.  You have no air conditioning.  Refrigerator is broken.  Cockroaches everywhere.  How are you keeping food and milk for Zach?  You are letting T.F. rule your world.  If I were  there and your friend I‘d probably smack your face and say WAKE UP!  You need to get help!  You need to get help NOW from somewhere and the 1st step is up to you.  Quit whinning about this man and be woman and get it together for you and Zach.  You are in control of you and you only, so start TODAY!!!!!!!!!!  There are resources out there to get you on your feet.  Don‘t be afraid to ask for it.  It is out of our comfort zone and a pride issue but you need to get over it and make a decision that today is the beginning of a better life that awaits you!!!!!

I know you can do this!!  A big WOOHOO for you! 

The best Mother‘s day is every day that I look at my beautiful son and he is healthy and happy!

The worst Mother‘s Day was when he was one and I had the whole family over and my mother asked my husband why he didn‘t get me a card. (Even my brothers braught me flowers.)  His reply "She‘s not MY mom."  Well excuse me mister man, I am your MOMMA - I feed you, do your laundry and pick up after you!  I think I AM YOUR MOM!!!

I never knew how much I appreciated, respected, and needed my mom until I had Noah.  I thank God for her every day.  How she put up with 3 kids I‘ll never know.  She was and still a great mom.  She is also my best friend. 

For those of you that have lost your mothers, I can not imagine the pain.  Just thinking about it makes me cry.  I know I am a stonger woman by mother‘s council.  Thank God for all the wonderful mother‘s out there!

Right up front I will apologize to all the human rights activists out there.

We should use the scum of society (after being found guilty WITHOUT A DOUBT) for finding medical cures.  If my tax dollars have to pay for these sick individuals to live then why not find some benefit in it?  Let‘s find the cures for those deadly diseases!

Oh Man!  Have to wonder about that household.  Do have a great time on the coast drinking this one away!!  Sorry for your situation.  There‘s All kinds out there!

I had a boyfriend give me a pair.  They even had a tie in the crotch.  Hehehehe!

All lingerie is itchy, uncomfortable, and only stays on for a couple minutes until it hits the floor.  It‘s not like you are going to wear it to work or get any functional use other than getting your man going.  But if it works HEY great!! 

I moved in with my husband after dating for 3 months.  We were married one year later.  We‘ve been together for 11 years now. 

I don‘t think I could live with my parents or with his.  Unless there was some kind of medical issue that warranted it.  Stick to your guns.  He knows where you stand, let him decide.  It‘s up to you if you want to end your relationship now.  It seems to be going great otherwise, right?  I‘d ride it out for the six months and then give him a choice.  If wants you to be his wife the parents need to find their own place.  My only concern here is whether or not the parents will have animosity towards you when this issue comes down to a head.  They will know it‘s you making the request not really their son.  It could be a real bummer to start out a marriage on bad terms with the in-laws! 

You‘re killing me here!!!!!!!!!

Maybe T.F. could take the Skid Mark Inspector job so he‘ll be able to cough up the money he owes you!  I think he‘d need some training but hey it would be right up his alley! (oops different thread)

I‘m soo happy for you QE.  You just put another feather in your cap.  Give Zachey a big hug from me and Noah!

miss led -

I contacted both woman my husband was cheating with by email to let them know I found out and they could have him.  I actually talk to one every so often.  She couldn‘t believe I was so nice.  I‘m not wasting my time being mad at her and could have gone out of my way to tell her husband what she was up to.  My anger was placed on my husband where it should have been.  But I just can‘t stand a woman who knows a man is married but goes there anyway!  Basically I just want info from her.  I‘m not going to get it if I resort to name calling or getting pissed at her.

I have to be honest here, If these ho‘s lived in my town and had an actual physical relationship with my husband, I would have probably been thrown in jail for the public beating I would have issued to all parties involved.

This new thread comes from reading other threads this week and I have been thinking alot about this. 

I think it‘s fair to say almost all of these men are not going to leave their wives.  I‘ve read many threads that support this. I also know this to be true in people I‘ve talked to.  Men and women get bored, things get stale, eyes and minds wonder.  But the love is there.  There is alot invested in long term relationships.  I was talking with my husband last night.  Cocktails loosened things up.  He has said and still sticks to his word that his online affairs were just games to see how far he get these women to go.  He never intended on meeting them.  He was just playing with them.  Please know in my mind I wanted to smack the crap out of him.  It is not ok to play with someones emotions like that.  He now knows this and is very apologetic.  I truly feel he has remorse for his actions.  Unfaithful men don‘t always leave thier wives for mistresses.  If they do, that relationship with the misstress is not a healthy start.   And not to mention all the emotional, financial, and legal garbage that is going to come into it.  If there are children it can get even uglier.  These men are lying and coniving so that can have the pie too!  Once the affair is revealed these guys go crying home with their tails between their legs.  I also think (sometimes) the affair brings upon a stronger relationship between husband and wife and with a mircle a new beginning.  Or on the other hand if the wife has had enough she will certainly make the husband and new girlfriend lives hell.   

I have walked in your shoes.  This is not going to be easy and will take time.  Only you can decide what you need to do.  I just can not imagine how you can be around his family now.  Boy is this going to put a damper on any further family gatherings.  I‘d be furious with them - personally I‘d never get over their part in this!  I am always amazed how husbands go out of their way to cheat and then come running back tails between their legs.  "I‘m so sorry it will never happen again" that line must be embedded at birth!

I bet the OW will be going physco on traitor hubby next!  I hope that POS gets dumped by her too!  Please be strong for your children and know we are here for you.  Get this man out of your life now.  He is probably going to say all sorts of things to try to get you to forgive him.  Don‘t!!  Send him packing to the OW to raise his new family.  Get your ducks in a row and keep us updated!

I was 13 and about to be a freshman.  Went to the Eastdale Shopping center to hang out with the older crowd.  Met a guy Mike and cruised around most of the night.  I called my mom and asked if I could stay at a friends house.  Then went to his sister‘s apartment that he was taking care off while she was out of town.  He lasted forever and we actually stayed together for 1 1/2 years after that.  I even went back with this guy after my divorce.  I dream about him often.  He cheated on me repeatedly both times we dated.  But I was so "in love" with him!  HAHAHA!!! 

It was funny to me when he was parked right next to my current husband at a car show!

One the back platform of a boat for god and everyone to see!  Got stuck in the weeds from not paying attention - had a hella uv a time getting out of here!

In the front seat of a Z car hanging out into the parking lot of an apartment complex. 

On a table on a balcony facing a main street.

In a hot tub.

The most uneasiest place was in the RV we took sturgis on the pull out couch with my brother sleeping in the back. Ewww!

On our anniversay we couldn‘t keep our hands off each other and just pulled into a neighborhood and did it right there outside someones house.

I myself have never had that kind of experience.  I know it would fuck with head too much.  Plus, no desire.  I just started liking oysters.  hahaha

My husbands 2nd wife liked to do that sort of thing and he said it really messed up the way he saw her after a few times.  It was ok the 1st time but then it started to gross him out.  He said he could never get over her always wanting to bring someone else into the relationship.  He‘s totally disgusted by her now.  So be careful!

I say go.  Have a great time.  Soo great that if the OW is there it will drive her nuts!  You still have your family, you won.  Now rub it in her face! 

Beware that if you do see her it will bring up emotions!

It‘s getting to the point where I don‘t want to post or reply because everything is getting out of hand and twisted!

dgrey- this is be no means an invitation for you to jump on me about this.  I know how you feel, you‘ve made that clear.  So I‘m going to give my situation and why I put a keylogger on my home computer.

I have been married for almost ten years.  We have a 4 year old and alot debt from my husband‘s spending sprees.  I found a pop-up saying my husband had e-mail.  I opened it and found love letters and pretty nasty pictures, complete with dildos.  There was also mention of the great phone sex going on.  So when I opened it, it went to his account.  Well there was more than one woman sending this stuff.  I was blown away.  I had NO idea.  Things weren‘t great but not horrible by any means.  Finding this out killed me - I couldn‘t believe it!  I am 16 years younger and no ugly, round duckling by any means.  And the sex was great and we got along fine.

He begged and pleaded to come back home.  I am so scared he will do this again.  I deserve better treatment and respect from husband don‘t you agree?  So I know you have problem with this, as you say illegal hacking, but please put MY shoe on your foot and think about what you might do.

By the way I think you have some great input here most of time when you‘re not trying to battle!  hehehe

Side Effects of Viagra!!

At 19 he is still a boy in my mind.  But I have two step sons.  One is 18 and one is 28.  I‘m 37 for a couple more days.  I know how the 28 year old is and I think he is still inmature.  My husband is 16 years older than I.  Sometimes I think he is too old!  He doesn‘t want to do fun things with our 4 year old and my libido is way bigger that his.  I guess it is an individual opinion on this one.  What ever works best I guess.  To each their own!

Happy Birthday!!!!!!!!!  Here‘s my present to you!

Boy can I relate!  It totally sucks when your man shows up half lit!  It bothers me to no end.  I always feel like why didn‘t you just say you wanted to do your own thing and I could have done mine.  You two had this night planned I know, so I don‘t blame you for starting out on a sour note.  Hopefully he‘ll grow up a little by the time your baby comes.  Don‘t stress yourself out and get high blood pressure.  I too had a very difficult pregnancy.  So take care of yourself!

Happy Belated Birthday

WTF!  I just don‘t get it.  Never will.  There are people out there that should be shot!  Dead!

okay FooledAgain, how does that door mat attached to your back feel?  Dirty?  Smelly?  Heavy? 

"I want him to see who I used to be but I‘ve completely lost that person because of him"

Why are you continuing to punish yourself because he is a creep?  I don‘t get it.  I think you are just going around in circles.  You throw out his things and then let him back in?  Now he‘s off to another state to play with someone elses‘ heart.  I bet you‘ll be going out there after him just to have what is left of your poor little heart crushed!  AGAIN!!

I really hate to sound so harsh but you need to snap out of it girl!

As Sharon Stone said when she was the welcome wagon at the trailer park on Roseanne...........Welcome, Welcome, Welcome!  Cracks me up evertime I see that episode!!!  Being in Real Estate I feel that way alot!

Great to have you here.  You can also order a bumper sticker or t-shirt out of the shopping cart to get the word out about WomanSavers!

You have to appove me and I don‘t know the answers to the two questions they are asking.  One is your email address and other is your last name.

Same with you QE.

mine is www.myspace.com/albuquerquerealtor

AMEN SISTER!!!! Well put! 

But these gals that knowing go after married men need to be bit--slapped for going there!  It‘s a game to most of them.  What a surprise they‘ll have if they end up with Mr. Wonderful!

WOW!  So I take it you did NOT have a relaxing week-end! 

Let the Grandmother do whatever she wants with the ring, it‘s hers - let her keep it.  Pick out one you really love. 

Next time crazy ass sister acts up kick her ass!  Or refuse to be anywhere near her.  (She probably had liquid courage)

 !What kind of a mom physically attacks her son?  Start making you OWN family traditions!!! 

I had cervical cancer when I was a teen.  They froze out sections.  You will be sore for awhile, if this is the procedure for you.  But nothing like abdominal surgery!  I hope everything goes well with your surgery.

So I am having coffee, reading the morning paper.  I go straight for the horoscope and then to Dear Abby.  Well today‘s letter was from a man who was in the recovery room waiting for his wife to wake up from a colonoscopy(sp?).  He over hears the nurse tell a woman she can ask her husband anything while he‘s waking up.  The anesthia is like truth serum.  Well the woman asks him if has cheated on her.  he replies "Yes", "with Mary Katherine".  Well she goes storming out leaving her husband to wake up with no one there.  She doesn‘t return.  Well the guy writting the letter is upset and  wants to get the nurse in trouble with the doctor.  He is upset that she has caused the potential break up of a marriage. 

Well,  I guess the wife must have suspected something or she would not have asked that specific question right? 

Do you think the nurse was out of line?

KK,

I would do something like email him (since you‘re added on myspace) making small talk.  Like what are doing this week-end, etc.  Throw in a question like are you and your girlfriend doing any thing special week end or 4th of July?  Are there any cool place he knows of to hang out. Or just ask around the work place.  Be careful who you ask.  Don‘t act like you‘re all smitten!  People at work usually love to give out info on others.  If there is an event coming up ask him if he‘s going.  Invite him with the old "if you don‘t have a gf would you like to go. I don‘t want to step on anyone‘s toes or cause in any trouble, but thought it might be cool to hang out."

Good luck and as always do some homework!

Cowgirl,  Boy do I hear echos of my own mind in your last post!  Son, dogs, DEBTS!  The difference is my husband owned up and stopped immediately. He has stopped going to the bar everyday, now has a manager position with a good company, spends time with us as a family, treats me like a lady, and tells me repeatedly (on one of my bad days) that he messed up and wouldn‘t do anything to jepordize what we have and can have together. 

Change is sooo scary!  That is why I think I took him back.  I felt like the rug got pulled from underneath me.  I didn‘t know what to do.  I knew half of the debts would be my responsibility.  I tell you what - I‘m getting stuff paid off and money put away now.  I will never feel I can put my or my sons‘ future in anyone elses control!  I will ensure that he does this again, I‘ll be gone so fast he won‘t know what happened!

dgray - I call em like I see em!  And I‘m Still seeing it!

Your comment was just extremely rediculous.  You don‘t know that she is using him for money.  But you label her a whore.  Nice!

Oh boy SisterC!  You sound like me!  He turns your questions into an argument.  His cell phone bill is not coming to the house.  There must be a cheater‘s handbook out there somewhere.  You definately need to find out what‘s going on here!

Ladies we need to come up with some ideas.  She can‘t use a keylogger.  No bill to look at.  Hmmmmmmmmmm? Maybe like the other poster said.  Say you‘re going on a mini vacation with a pal.  Then sit back a watch his every move?

I hope you ladies are all hung over today!  You didn‘t once think of me last night did you?!?!?!  How rude. 

So now dgray is delamo? 

He probably does love you.  I‘ll bet his ego was crushed and he was hurt that you broke it off with him.  I also think his ex is a b-t-h for sleeping with him that night.  She knew he was hurt - how convienent to be there open armed and open legged!  He is NOT without blame here.  Why did he go running directly to her?  Was there alcohol involved.  Not that it makes it any better but you know a drunk, dumped man cannot refuse a girl throwing herself at him.  Do you know his ex well?  Is she your friend?  Does he always go running back to her?  Curious......hmmmm

 I take it their still friends right?  If you‘re going to stick with this guy I‘d pull the plug on that one! 

Breezy- I‘m  not puttin all the blame on his ex for being with him right after the break up.  They are supposedly friends.  But wouldn‘t a friend have said "I know you are hurting.  Give her some space and go prove to her how much you care for her".   Friends don‘t fuck friends.  At least not in my circle.

The ex girlfriend is obviously in their circle of friends  or they would not have talked.  I‘m just saying I would not want my bf to have a friend like that.  At least not while I am involved with him.  While yes there were freshly broken up it still strikes me as odd behavior for just friends even if they were previously together.

I guess I don‘t understand where you are coming from.  By spaying and neutering animals there will be far less of them to be abandoned.  People who let thier animal reproduce again and again  just add to the over population problem.  How often do hear about puppies and kittens being drowned or thrown out because people didn‘t spay and they just can‘t provide or find homes for the babies.  By imposing this law only people who have breeders licenses will be breeding.  These people will sell to others who are looking for specific animals.  Plus there is no way they have the man power to impose this law on EVERYONE.  I don‘t think we will ever not have this over population problem solved. We are looking at the same type of laws going into effect here in New Mexico.  I think it is absolutely needed. 

So if people just throw out their animals because they don‘t want to spay or neuter, why the hell do they have them in the first place. You take on an animal to provided food, shelter and love.  It is a pet.  If you want to breed that animal for profit then buy the license required to do so.  It will pay itself off with the first litter.  People should be held accountable for their animals.

ragnar- he is obviously already back in the house.  So it was not a bad move, it was temporary.  She knows she would not be awarded EVERYTHING.  The man would have to be able to support himself too.  But he would not just get to walk away scott free.  By got him by balls I mean sometimes it takes something like this to open someones eyes to what they have.  Maybe he won‘t be selfish with "me and my wants" and relize that it is a overtime job to clean, cook, do laundry, get kids to school, shop, cloth, bath, referee, taxi,  entertain, (and list goes on and on) for a family of SIX!  Sometimes we don‘t get the things we want from a spouse because of children (1 or 10) because of priorities and being just plan tired after a day of all these duties!  Hopefully they can get through this and get counseling so everyone comes to a happy middle ground. 

Agreed!  I guess it‘s the thought that counts. 

My tax dollars are better spent on the governors personal plane!

Don‘t forget the forsaking part! 

forsake:  abandon or renounce; to give up.

Were those in your wedding vows?

Better or worse.  Worse does not mean sleeping with someone else in my world.

  You‘re killing me here!  Cooking and cleaning are not terrible jobs.  You‘re out there in left field! It‘s a culmination of everything.  She had depression to top off 3 children and a baby.  There‘s a lack of communication in their relationship - oh I guess that makes it ok to get willy wet somewhere else? 

I absolutely agree that it is important for a man and woman to put their relationship up there at the top, but when children are involved sometimes it is difficult.  The childrens needs most of the time take presidence.  It‘s sounds to me like you saying screw the family, house, and everything else - I need sex! 

My husband, myself and our son were at the grocery store buying food.  We get up to counter and they ask for one of those little cards they swipe for discounts.  Well, hmmm that card is on the key ring of last car I sold.  "Will you please swipe the store card please?"  The cashier just gets immediately bent out of shape.  "You‘ll need ask another customer if they‘ll let you use their card" she says in super snotty tone.   Well of course I‘m grabbing the son out of the cart at state I‘ll just take my business elsewhere.  I can really see where this headed.  If my son had not been there I probably would have gotten real ugly.  I walk out and leave my husband standing there.  He finds a nice customer to let us borrow their card and realizes I have the check book.  He comes out and gets it and heads back in the store to hear the cashier saying "It‘s not my fault he doesn‘t have his card."  So my husband says"It‘s not my fault you‘re being a bitch".  The manager is now there because the line is backing up and pulls the cashier off the register.  As she‘s being told that the manager will take over she says calls my husband a white mother f------!!  Oh boy good thing I was outside!!!!!!!!!    Hello - what ever happened to customer service!

My father and I on Christmas 2002.  He is the wisest person I know.  He is the funniest person I know.  I remember growing up and he worked long hours and most weekends.  My mother was the screamer.  He‘d get home to an earful every night.  They have been married for over 50 years. He is a saint for putting up with all of us.  He never beat us or yelled, but instead would make you question your morals, values and the consequences of your choices.  Sometimes I think I would rather had a beating.  But through him I learned how to make the right choices, (most of the time). He always has a joke to tell.  He always there when you need him, even if means bringing up a can of stewed tomatoes.  LOL!  I thank God for him every day.  Life is short so I think I‘ll call and tell him how much I love him.

Things seem to be moving along in your favor.  I don‘t think you should worry about him getting custody.  He‘s making his own case look like a circus.  Hang in there till Thursday!

Please feel free to post a new thread about your experience.

Welcome aboard!

Yep!  This was me back then.  How did I survive taking LSD cruising around in a friends car.  Brakes went out and us thinking we could stop it like the Flinstones with our feet out the doors all night. LOL!   What the hell were we thinking?!?!?!?! 

I‘d like to take this moment to thank God for looking out for me.  I must have a guardian angel on my side!

Woo Hoo pink stuff!!!!!!!

At some point he going to have to talk about all this with you openly.  Don‘t let him think he can get away with this type of behavior.  Put you foot up his rear and tell him he needs to come clean or maybe he‘d like a sit down with you, the OW and himself?  Does he think you are dreaming all this up?  WTF is with some guys?  He knows you know and is acting like nothing is up.  I don‘t get it!

Is this your first child?  When I was in labor I really didn‘t want to talk about anything stressful with anyone.  Labor is going to be hard job and you‘ll need to focus on the task at hand.  It‘s up to you when you decide to talk with him.  Don‘t think that seeing you in labor is going to have some kind of miraclous change on him.  I know you are seething pissed right now but give yourself some time and space.  It might be a good idea to get this all out in open sooner that later. 

Don‘t stress yourself out now.  High blood pressure during pregnancy sucks!  I  had that and everything that could go wronge did.  Take care of yourself and your baby girl.

King of the Castle?I‘m freakin‘ dying here!  I wonder what the statistics are on two income households now days. 

Honey do list?  What‘s that?  I work, do the "woman" chores, and the landscape maintenance.  If my husband were to declare he was going to fix something, I think I‘d call the fire department to be on standby!

I can bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, and never,ever let you forget you‘re the man.  Because I‘m the woman!  YES I AM!!!

Don‘t give him the pleasure!  He seems to think this is amusing because it‘s sounds like jealousy. 

I‘m glad to see you are keeping your chin up and being the better woman.  I hope you recieve top dollar for your home and can move on.  I‘d love to be the fly on the wall when hubby has the relization of what an idiot he has been and thrown his family away.  What a sobering day that will be! 

WOW!  I wonder if ol‘ wifey knows about how guilty he really feels.  What a schmuck!

You deserve better.  You‘ve been through alot.  Put this behind you too.  Move on the bigger and better things.  I guess you are about due for something really special!  My friend says things come around in 3‘s.  So if that‘s true -  you are due my friend!!!

AAArrrrggghhh!!!   This happened to my funny post too.    GIVE ME THE FUNNIES!!!!!!!!!!!

I‘d go for any kind of sex right about now!!

With my husband of course.  Maybe I should get him to check his schedule to see if he can fit me in!   It‘s been awhile damn it!

OK Ladies, I need some input.  I‘ve been in Real Estate for 3 years now and I need some NEW ideas. 

 I myself get those lame postcards from other realtors - "toss em!" 

When I‘m home with my family I do not like to get calls about when am I thinking of moving - "back off it‘s family time!" 

Newsletters - "I look for the new recipe not the other drabble"

I could put a huge trash bin in front of the house and send a letter to the neighbors that it will be there for the week-end so load it up with yard debris and old unwanted junk.

What do you think about walking my farm areas and handing out fly swatters with my info.  Every time they smash a fly they will look at my face with bug juice on it.  LOL

I am in a funk and need some creative ideas to generate new business.  I hope you don‘t charge an arm and leg for your expertise!  Please give me any ideas that would appeal to YOU as a potential home buyer or seller.

Thanks

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Thank you for all your input!  My clientele is usually the first time home buyer or investor for flipping property.  I am the queen of finding homes under $120,00.00.  This is getting harder and harder here because the market (depending on area) is appreciating 6 -12% each year here.  The average home sale amount in the office is $220,000.00.  I‘m sure they just love me!

I just wish I would have bought a couple little houses in Rio Rancho for $80,000 a year and a half ago.  Now these home are selling $120,000 to 135,000.00.  But NO the husband wanted a race car, a harley, a RV.  He quit working and had his little online affairs.  I had to float the boat.  I am however proud to report he is working hard and I am taking a little repreve.

I am doing the refrigerator magnet for July 4th with our flag on them.  I‘m also giving out free tickets to ride the Sandia Tram to past, present and future customers.  Because of RESPA I cannot offer to give people part of my commission, such as Dagu suggested with the storage companies but I am going to look into that idea.  Maybe something else will click.  I always offer a free market anylsis to people in my farm areas.  I do take calls at home till 8:00pm on my cell.  I never answer my home phone anymore!  Thanks everyone and if you think of anything else catchy please let me know!

Thank you for all your input!  My clientele is usually the first time home buyer or investor for flipping property.  I am the queen of finding homes under $120,00.00.  This is getting harder and harder here because the market (depending on area) is appreciating 6 -12% each year here.  The average home sale amount in the office is $220,000.00.  I‘m sure they just love me!

I just wish I would have bought a couple little houses in Rio Rancho for $80,000 a year and a half ago.  Now these home are selling $120,000 to 135,000.00.  But NO the husband wanted a race car, a harley, a RV.  He quit working and had his little online affairs.  I had to float the boat.  I am however proud to report he is working hard and I am taking a little repreve.

I am doing the refrigerator magnet for July 4th with our flag on them.  I‘m also giving out free tickets to ride the Sandia Tram to past, present and future customers.  Because of RESPA I cannot offer to give people part of my commission, such as Dagu suggested with the storage companies but I am going to look into that idea.  Maybe something else will click.  I always offer a free market anylsis to people in my farm areas.  I do take calls at home till 8:00pm on my cell.  I never answer my home phone anymore!  Thanks everyone and if you think of anything else catchy please let me know!

Now Kitty!  You must face your fears!  March over to the neighbors yard (around midnight & in the cloak of darkness) and bring that badboy back home.  Put him somewhere in your living room that you can keep an eye on him.  I also recommend you put him in some kind of pet carrier or cage.  Something he can‘t escape from. (You did see that Twilight Zone about the wiki tiki doll that came to life and stabbed people?) I think if you know what he‘s doing all the time you‘ll feel better.  I don‘t imagine he eats much!

I would not recommend digging a hole to bury him in.  Just imagine your fear when you check up on him and he‘s dug his way out! 

Ragnar - My husband is still around and we will be celebrating our 10th anniversary in September.  Things are better than ever!

I‘m sorry but the way you seem to think a man should be treated is old school.  My husband is 16 years older than I and we get along great.  I don‘t think he‘d be happy with a little wifey that sat at home cooking and cleaning just waiting for him to get home so I could baby him in my teddy.  I‘m as fiesty as they come and I know that is what attracted him in first place.  It‘s a free country and you think however you want.  I just don‘t happen to agree with most of what you are saying.

So on that note:

Hind sight is always 20/20.  We go into a shock phase or what I call the "auto pilot mode"  when things like this happen.  It‘s kind of like "well if someone jumps out at me I‘ll kick em in the jimmy".  Then someone jumps out and all you do is freeze up and some wierd undescribable dribble comes from your lips. 

When I caught a boyfriend red handed in cheating I would have thought I‘l lose it and really let them both have it.  Auto pilot came over me because of the shock.  I wish I would have had something witty to say instead "nice met you OW"  Jeez!

How does knowing what makes a woman go for a man help you to help us?  HUH? 

Why didn‘t you just say you‘re having trouble attracting a woman and any advise would be appreciated.

A 12 inch penis would make me run screaming!  My cervix flinches at the mere thought.  I had a boyfriend one time that was just huge.  Needless to say that didn‘t last very long. LOL  But we are still friends 20 years later.  I call him coke can dick and he thinks it‘s funny. 

This moron figured out how to cut and paste. 

Sorry about the sarcasism - I‘m still wounded by the last shots you fired.

But I‘d be glad to help you so can you can put your own pic‘s on here. 

Happy Father‘s Day to all you good Dads out there!  I hope you have a wonderful day and enjoy your children!

Geez...no one ever emails me.  Didn‘t clicks go out after high school?  Man jealousy is brutal. 

Niner maybe you should refrain from trying suck people into arguments.  Didn‘t we just go over this?  Now here we are diverting from the thread again.  (As I am doing).........One other thing     Don‘t kiss and tell if you know what I mean!  If you are indeed being emailed by members crying about each other don‘t be the bus driver!

MEOW MEOW YOU DERANGED KITTY!! hehehehe!

Niner - if you take a look into posts, I do not usually reply to Daguru.  I find his posts a bit lengthy.  I do not have a problem with him and I am not in his (as you put it - click).   You seem to be putting us together some how.

I am still offering to help you post pictures.  Maybe you didn‘t see my reply to your post in the "Gigantic" thread.

I agree with above post.  Maybe set up time to go shopping and icecream.  Something like that maybe let  her pick.  If you are getting resistance then back off.  Once she figures out you aren‘t going anywhere I think she‘ll mellow out.  I met my stepson when he was 6 he is now 18.  I have to say I never totally bonded with him.  His mom was always within 2 miles of us.  He didnt need a 2nd mom.  I did take him to movies and amusment parks.  But I‘ve never felt that close with him.  Having no kids of own back then it was very hard for me.  Until I became a mom I had no clue what kids wanted.  Just be patient with her.  I hope you find some kind of common interest with her. 

Mellow-you two need to stop showering together when she‘s there.  It sounds like it never happened anyway.  Since she‘s only there on the weekends, concentrate on making her feel comfortable with the new living conditions.  Put the lovey dovey stuff on hold for awhile so she can adjust to Daddy‘s new live-in girlfriend.  I know you two are probably excited about living together finally and it‘s all new. This has got to be hard on her.  She‘s used to having mommy and daddy together (even though not for awhile) and now this new woman is in daddy‘s life.  This will work itself out but please be realize even a 7 year old can burn down the house while you‘re taking a 10 minute shower.  I never can sleep if my son is up.  I know he could break his head open, let the dogs out in the street, or get into trouble in a matter of seconds. 

He threatened me personally that he would post my name on every child abuse site he could find. 

I was just upset that he has verbally upchucked on so many here.  I did not mean to cause an uproar but I had really had it with him.  I tried to be nice.  Oh well, you don‘t have to like me but let‘s all try to get along without mud slinging.  To acuse her of abuse was a little too much for me.  Poor judgement yes but I don‘t think she is intentinally abusing her.  He read far too into her words.  Anyways, sorry all.

I just wish people came with a UPC code you could scan.  It would tell us cheater, lier, abuser.  They don‘t so you end up having to figure it out on your own. I often wonder why life lessons have to be so hard.  I can only assume that they serve some greater purpose.  They make us smarter and more insightful for the next one. 

I‘m so glad you are away from him and doing better you Sexyblondebabe you!  You ask how not to be used.  I think you are figuring it out on your own.  Only you can control you and your actions.

Was all that neccessary?

Hyprocrisy........hmm........let‘s not gab at each other.........hmm.............wasn‘t there a previous thread on this kind of behavior?

I actually knew it would come this.  I saw it coming yesturday.  It was only a matter of time.  I don‘t know how you two are going to settle this or if you even can now. Maybe one of the moderators or LMWS will have to set up rules for you two.  I think it has come this.  Low blow Alex- did you really need to go there?  Had to get one more jab in?  No Dagu I wouldn‘t let it slide but try to big the bigger man here.  One poster asked why you were here.  This just might be your way of healing in some fashion.  Alex until you have lost child you can NEVER know how painful - you‘d rather die than have your child go before you.  LOW!  And Daguru you do start up immediately with people you don‘t care for.    I have held my tongue in fear of retaliation from you.  I‘m afraid I could be the next one you start with.  Then I would have to deal with others that would jump on that band wagon.  I find it intimidating.

Ok now that I posted and read the above last posts.  Get him Daguru!  He deserves it.  THis Is Ridiculus!!!!!!!!!

Anger.......coming to terms..............Everyday, everytime he walks by the childs room, toys, clothes, pictures!  OH my GOD!  The coming terms are in his face all day long!  Alex- you‘re gonna have to pay the piper on this one!

Daguru- I feel for you on this one.

Let‘s NOT all jump ship here because of some waves!  We will get through this and hopefully the little parasites who come in making things here a complete circus will fade away or go back in the hole they came from.  Let‘s stick together and keep up the support we initially came here for.  For those of you that are fed up this will pass.  Tension is high right now and it will calm down sooner than later.  Sit back, take a break if need be and come back to be the valued member you are.

I‘ll take one of these straight up please!!!!!!!!!!!

Shape up everyone or you‘ll be next.  I hated to do this to Niner but he gave me NO choice!!!!!!!

Very well put Dagu!

I‘m sure it has something to do with high‘s and low‘s do you know what I mean.  Like a depressant or something.  Dagu would put this into perspective better than I. 

But I know exactly what you mean.

I always get that "now damn, why did I smoke that much!?!"  hack...hack......I was a train smoking sailor last night..........who was that person??  I‘ll just call her Deidra for now. LOL

Chez_Chick might have some advise on this one.  Where the heck is she when you need her?

I spelled her name wrong - now she‘s really gonna call me a bitch! 

Honey,  If I were in your shoes I make him call her while I was there and you both tell her to stop calling.  Have him talk to her first then you.

And if you weren‘t pregnant I say go find her and embed "don‘t call again" on her forehead!

But really!  Why is he still talking to her?  He should have made it clear she was out of the picture by now!

Oh.......but you will!

Sad!  Sounds like you need something for her too.  I assume she is a teenager?  She‘s not blind to the fact that there is something going on with mom and dad.  I hope she is not getting into drugs or something of that nature.  I‘m not trying to get you upset, but sometimes the lying is due to trying to cover up.

I know I didn‘t get along with my mom when I was teenager.  I was on edge because I was dabbling.  No one under any circumstance should use a child as a pawn!

Happy Friday everyone!  Deranged Kitty this one‘s for you!

This was in Dear Abby today.

Dear Abby:  My husband, "Craig" and I have agreed to let you settle an argument.  We have been married for seven years.  Craig was married to his previous wife, "Charlotte", for 12 years.  Since the divorce, Charlotte is invited to - and attends - all of his family‘s functions and holiday gatherings, as is my husband, but I am not.

Craig has told his parents that Charlotte‘s presence makes him uncomfortable, but they said she will "always be their daughter" and they can invite whomever they choose.

I don‘t think Craig should attend these gatherings with his ex-wife, but he accuses me of being selfish because if he doesn‘t go, he will miss out on his family‘s events.  He says if I don‘t want him there with her, then I should "crash" the events and show up uninvited and unwelcomed.  Who‘s right?  SNUBBED IN PROTLAND

Dear Snubbed:  It would be interesting to know more about how your husband‘s first marriage ended, because that may be what has influenced your in-law‘s decision not to accept you into the family.  However,as it stands, you are already experiencing enough problems without crashing his parents‘ gatherings, and I strongly advise against it.  Your husband is selfish to ignore your feelings and go without you, but hey - that‘s the doll you married.

Almost as guilty?  I‘d say it‘s 50/50 here.  You‘re mad becuase he‘s lied?  You‘re mad because wife #3 found out?  Look, you knew he was married, you knew he was a liar and a cheat. Didn‘t some where in the back of your mind know that this was the inevitable end? 

 The only reason you are not together is because wifey found out?  I‘m not buying the poor pitiful me and I‘ve been dumped on.  Sorry.  I just hope you learn from this and can move on.  No one likes to lose.  Your bitterness is proof of that. 

Next time I hope you can find someone who is not attached.  Mental note:  no more married men!  They can not give me the love I deserve.  Any man who is a cheater is not someone you can trust with your heart.  Maybe you need to get your self confidence in check. 

I be interested to know why the police were involved.

I was only compelled to  respond to this post after reading your reply in another thread.

I consider sending pictures of your boobs, etc. to a man that is married cheating.  If he is asking for those photos and responding to her - it is cheating.  Even if thinks it is only a game!

The strip club is not cheating in my book unless it is done without the partner knowing or you are lying about going.

I have heard this song and dance before my friend.  I have been there.  Only thing I can say is Pandora. 

Is it just me or does it seem like a man gets into his fifties and figures out the internet finally then becomes a perv?  Just curious.  Oh and did he throw in that it was just a game to see how far she‘d take it?  I really loved that one.

He relizes what he has to lose huh?  Well he really won‘t understand that until you boot him out.  Let him soak in his own juices awhile.  I‘d insist if I were you.  But you might have let too much time go bye.  I feel for ya!

Like that‘s gonna happen!  She doesn‘t want her husband going there.  I highly doubt she‘d let a complete stranger give her a wax job. hahaha  But I have to say if that didn‘t do the trick nothing will.  They are the best!!  For both husband and wife!

Matt you‘re funny!!!!!!!  I‘ve got these pic‘s loaded and ready for the next troll!

Put me in pair of 5 inch heals and I‘m 6‘2"!  I love high heels though.  I always know I‘ll be able to see the show if I have to stand! 

As I get older those tight fitting outfits are out!  You wouldn‘t catch me dead in a corset..........well maybe you would..........killed over, lack of air!

You‘re killing me here Matt!!!!!  That‘s histarical!!!!!

I can‘t get to my funny pic‘s here at work, darn it!!!!!!!!!!

The weight has been lifted.  YOU ARE FREE!!!

AMAZING!!

Last Halloween a guy down the street was arrested for violating his parole.  He had a computer and was attempting to contact young girls.  This was a blow to know we had a child predator right down the street.  I looked up a map that showed were these criminals live and it hard to see exactly where they are pin pointed. 

As for my input on how to deal with him:  I say gut it like a fish.  Right down the center and clean it out.

Please tell me why you were married at 13.

Yes he met these women on these sites.  I think Poker Palace or Full Tilt Poker.  He went by Supergas.  Thanks for your offer Daguru but I‘m all set up here. 

TOW - one more time ...not a control issue but a repsect issue.  I have asked him not play or chat because it makes me feel very uncomfortable.  He has agreed not to.  If you need to feel like this controlling fine but to me he should respect my feelings and how badly he hurt them by his actions on those site.  Believe me he plays on the computer EVERY night still.  Just off a disc!

Nice attitude!

I agree with you TOW.  He was logging in on new site one night and I caught him.  I got real upset and he called me over to look at his user name.  He had "verymarried".  I told him it still made me uncomfortable so he just stopped.  I later looked to see what he was doing with the keylogger and he changed the username from "foreplay"  when I caught him.  He doesn‘t know I know.  I just can‘t explain the pain his past actions have caused me.  When I found all his stuff on the computer I literally thought I was having a heart attack.  He hasn‘t been on a poker site since the one slip up.  He‘s welcome to do what ever he wants to on the computer, he has full access, but will have to pay the price if he returns to his evil ways.  He knows where I stand. 

I can‘t tell you exactly what prompted the behavior but I have my ideas. 

1.  Little 3 year old getting more attention.

2.  So drunk I didn‘t want to be around him.

3.  Failing business.

He cheated on the 1st and 2nd wives.  It‘s in his blood? What ever the case if it happens again either on the computer or in real life I‘m done.  He doesn‘t want to go to counciling so there you go. 

I Couldn‘t have said it better myself! 

I‘m voting for boots #4.  But I can‘t see #1.  I LOVE cowboy boots too!  Have 5 pairs currently.  The pointier to better.  Roach killers.  Had more boots before the boy was born but my feet grew durning pregnancy.

Last pair I bought were barbie pink.  I get the most compliments on them.  Maybe if I can sell a frickin house this month I can go get the brown ones with the pink flame tips. 

AquaGirl wrote:

Oh no he‘s at it again!

Nice!  Look at that smoke hanging out of his mouth!

Now children you need strive for a better education.  Just look at what happened to Ronald after he got fired!

Wonder what he‘s gonna say to the doc?

Wow Aqua!  Thanks that sure makes my week-end!  I‘ll be cleaning and cooking to get ready for my family to come in. 

Everyone have a safe 4th!

OMG KK!  You must be a wreck.  It is amazing to me that a grown man can‘t even change a baby‘s clothes or diaper. WTF!  It is more than obvious that there is NO bond between father and daughter.  And how could there be because he is such a dead beat.  Today is a new day and hopefully a stress free day.My son is soo close to me that I have to ask him to ask his dad to get him a drink or help him get dressed.  He‘s 4.  My husand just let me do everything all along and distanced himself.  Now my son doesn‘t want dad to help so it gets ugly.  "No you do it, I don‘t want daddy!"  I know this has gotta hurt the hubby.  But he did it to himself.

I hope you day is better and just keep loving your little Boo!

I just can‘t wait until your wife finds you out.  I am tired of your dribble. 

I can just see it now, fast forward a couple months:

 Here I am again ladies.  You were all correct that I should opened up to my wife.  She did  find out about the other woman and is now in the process of divorcing me.  I should have listened.  The OW has made amends with her husband and I am out of the picture.  My life is in turmoil and don‘t know what to do to get my wife to come back to me.

I beg to differ Missy!

Cutie!

Aqua - That‘s your boy Val!

Edit:  I can see the pictures.  Are they coming through?

There‘s your baby!  Looking ummmm....greasy.

Sorry Aqua - I have to get back to cleaning for the company I have coming or we could debate this all day.  But I know I‘d win!I tried to download some Sam Elliott that you could pick apart on the grandpa stuff but it wouldn‘t go and I don‘t have time. 

I can‘t think of the name of it damn-it!  I‘ll have to get back to ya.

Aqua on a lighter note:  This is a picture of my best friend and I.  She is the most selfless person I know.  I thank God I met her every day.  She will drop everything to come listen to a sob story she‘s heard 10 times before.  Never says I told you so or holds a grudge.  She is the best!  She is very thoughtful in all she does for others and is such a giving person.  Here we are toasting with a couple jegermeisters our friendship.  I wish everyone was as lucky as I to have such a dear friend!

Daguru - I had to laugh at your post.  I have a major problem with smells.  I can look at the grossest of things but if i smell it - I will hurl!  I worked for  veterinarians for about 10 years.  I‘ve seen alot of major surgery.  But smell just does me in for some reason.  I have actually thrown up on my son twice during a nasty poopy diaper change.  I have gagged so many times it‘s not funny.  But I could still get the job done. AND quickly I might add!

Kell - your ex is a complete dunce.

To answer this question.

Gee they‘ve already agreed on living that way, good for them but if one decides it‘s not for them then he/she has a decision to make right. To each there own.  I just don‘t feel it is right push this kind of lifestyle on others in name of "If you loved me you would do this for me."

Well, what are you gonna do?  Stay and be his sick excuse for being a drug addicted piece of shit or get out now and start fresh for you and the baby?  You know what to do.  I ‘d get started today!!!!!!!!   The sooner the better.  I‘d get that STD check straight away too.  He probably gave you something if he‘s sooo concerned about it.  He has NO respect for you!  GO now before ruins all your credit and starts stealing to feed his habits.  Be strong and know there are people that care for you and will help you.  Get rid of this man he is toxic for you and your baby.  I know you love him but get over it!! Get started on the rest of your life!

Edit: After reading your other posts the past couple of days -You need to run screaming from this piece of crap!  He‘s cheating, he‘s a low life scum.  If I see you  posting again that you‘r still taking his crap I will be so disappointed in you.  It‘s up to you and I know all too well that change is scary and you have time invested in this man but after everything he‘s done to you I don‘t know how you could possibly stay.  Pull up your boot straps and get that chin up and walk, no RUN to a safe place!

Cowboy Crazy - You had the perverbial momentary lapse of judgement.  That comes with trying to get one certain Cowboy out of ones system.  I think he is toying with your emotions and you did a slight back step.  Have you learned your lesson?  Good!  Now next time he calls, keep this last enlightening episode in the forefront of you thoughts.

Now how about those boots?  Which pair did you end up ordering?

Must have a stable job.

Own a car.

Does Not live with parents!

Likes to talk openly.

Has high morals

A man with big hands.

Must have nice feet. No Frito Corn Chip nails.

Facial Hair is a plus.

Tattoos are great (like a full Sleeve) but optional.

Likes to go out and do things.

He must like to involved in family gatherings.

These are by no means in any sort of order of importance.

Oh, and I forgot, must be well endowed.

Rag,  Don‘t feel like you need to jump all over looking for my posts.  Just click on user‘s profile and then you can look at all  my posts.  I‘m sure Daguru won‘t mind either.  Knock yourself out.  Have a hay day. 

I am starting to see a pattern repeat itself.  You already have one strike.  Keep it up and you will up end with another and then another.  Feel free to physco analyize all threads at you leisure!

Oh Rag, here is a picture of me so that you know I do look like my aviatars.  Medusa and Witch from Oz.    I‘m pretty sure my husband thinks I‘m repulsive.

EEEWWWWW!

There mere thought makes me cringe!!

Grandpa?  Aren‘t you two around the same age gramps?

I have been guily of 1 -6 and even the toilet lid scenerio!

By the way I had to kick my husband‘s ass for using all my good Mary Kay after this one!!!!!

Now ladies, we can‘t let men get off too easy!!!

Condensed Version.

Fact:  1.) I forwarded all the emails, love letters, nude pictures (complete with didos) to his bible thumping sisters.  Now please don‘t get mad about the bible thumping comment.  I have the utmost respect for these women and love them dearly and consider them close.  They are just the MOST religous people I know.  And beleive me they gave me advise and were not happy at all with little brother.  2.) Emailed the -um guzzling gutter --uts that they could have him and thank you very much for helping destoy a family.   3.) I went directly down to the bank a did a clean sweep.  Which eventually had to be delved out to help cover bills since he had not working that much.  He failed to tell me this.  Nice.  I make a good income but when the mortgage alone is 2600 "it do take chunk don‘t it!?"

Fantasy:  1.) Take a bat to his 1969 RS/SS Camero.  Putting dents all over the Auzur Turqois paint job.  And just for giggles add a touch of Parmesian Cheese to the Saw-thooth interior ( for that fresh car scent).  2.)  Just sell his beloved Harley out from under him. 

And lastly: 3.)  Smack him and say loudly:  "What the fuck we‘re you thinking!  If you want to play a game -take up chess!"

How about a couple face plaque billboards around town? 

 " You can have him. No returns, refunds or payoffs.  He‘s All Yours!"

Right on Sister!

I‘m feeling it just can‘t express it.

ladysman wrote:

dbuck wrote: That is your best comeback. Well I guess I should expect this from a low life who defends child abusers. BTW you really do look like the bass player from BTO except you are a little more manly. If you need a lesbo hook up there is site known as myspace.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 I knew it was you!  I knew I could pull you out of your fake little shell!

You just can‘t go over 10 posts without having your anger issues come to the surface. 

 You are addicted to Womansavers! 

 You just keep coming back for more.  I love it! 

I know you are probably asking your question in all seriousness Katie but I do find it quite funny that he blows his top sooo quickly (no pun intended Ladysman).

P.S. This site was primarily created for women and homosexual men.

Oh dear sweet Lorrie.  We have been in your shoes.  One day it just hits you and you know you are a done deal.  I am soo sorry this happened to you too.

I am getting ready to take the family out to dinner and would love go over how to copy and paste so you can learn to upload photos.  So if no one else gets to you first I will try tomarrow. 

It seems that when the boards are a buzzing the site slows to creeping halt.  I don‘t know what‘s up with that.

Here‘s my version of how Katie handled the whole situation:

http://www.bofunk.com/video/1944/nutcracker.html

She came out of nowhere and the moderator gavel fell so hard you could hear it!

I just didn‘t relize she wore her womansavers getup on Sundays. 

Where is the little weasel this morning?He only has one strike left as ladysman.

He is a glutten!  He really has no business being on this site other than it is a free country.  He‘s only here to abuse those who are already down.  He is the exact type of guy you have been warned to stay away from.  Verbally abusive, bad temper, and last but not least a little boy who gets a jab in and then runs off.

ladysman wrote:

dbuck wrote: fastgetaway wrote: ladysman wrote: No ladies to piss off here. Most of you act like men...     Nothing gets passed you dbuck..

I‘ve been waiting for you.  I‘ve missed you terribly since my last encounter with you. 

And I do want to apologize for your friend Frank being rated so poorly.  I‘m sure he is just a wonderful guy.  IN YOUR WORLD! 

By the way, don‘t mistake a self confidant, head strong woman as shallow.

What the heck is that dancing turd on South Park?  I‘m gonna have to go picture shopping!!!!

Ladysman- I‘ve been thinking alot about you.  I think you need your apology from the woman who rated your buddy.  I doubt you‘ll get it though.  She‘s probably long gone or I think we would have seen a grewsome attack by you to her.  I just don‘t know how you will get the justice you are looking for.  We can only assume that what she posted is true.  How are we to know? 

I have to admit if it were one of my friends (man or woman) I would have my panties all in a ruffle too.  I am the kind of person who defends my family and friends to the bitter end. 

Your attacks on many of us  have left us bitter and even more dishearted about the male race.  I just don‘t understand why you are so damn angry at the rest of the world for something we have no control over.  If your friend is so innocent then he has the recourse of rebuttal.  I just can‘t imagine something of this nature would cause someone to lose their job.  How on earth would a whole office know about it?  Boy it must be a Payton Place where he works.  Jeez!  Most men I know would laugh it off and make out the woman to be the physco ex.  Well, all I can say is keep up your good fight even though it will be to no avail.  Unless LMWS breaks the rules and bends to your sniveling and deletes the rating you are just going to have to use up all your energy belittling the rest of us and looking pretty lame while doing so. 

P.S. At least we can all say that your time here was  memorable. 

Oh and I forgot Ladysman this is for you:

P.S. I wouldn‘t piss on you to put a fire out let alone give you any kind of apology!  Asshole!

I didn‘t exactly know how to take it.  It could have gone either way.  But good to know it was in fun.  You know now one of the other members will come up with a dewsey!  HEHE!  I‘ll put my buck on Lorrie to come up with something good.

I was really thinking poor Tow, his wife was a real tyrant!!  Wonder if that shoe print has started to fad yet.  I was starting to understand ol‘ Ragnar‘s view on the wage slave!

Get some kind of hard evidence.  Play it cool till you do.  Then always remember You‘ve got all the pussy and half the money!  I‘ve never heard of that much money being spent on a divorce.  They must be dragging it out forever.  Fighting over every little thing.  Hang in there this will work itself out.

 Happy Birthday!!!!!

Here‘s my present to you........

I hope you feel better soon.  Time will help.  We are here for you.  If we were there we would help you celebrate!

Deep Breath..... In through the nose out through the mouth.... slow..... repeat.  JJ my josh woman.  You might want to spend some time at the hospital.  Ask the evil step hag when she wants a break so you don‘t have to be around her.  I hope he recovers.&n