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liarliar
  Posted: 12/20/2009 6:41 PM Subject: advise
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Soooo Heart broken , 23 years married found out three days ago he was cheating didn‘t think he could do that to me. Sounds like something every one here thinks. Any suggestions on what to think about all of this. But of course he‘s sorry. It will never happen again. So depressed and sick i dont want to do anything work, Christmas, talk to family, nothing? Anyone got anything?


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  Posted: 12/20/2009 9:39 PM Subject: advise
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I am so sorry you are going through this.  It does not matter what we think.  What do you think?  Is this his first affair?  Is he truly sorry?  Is this a deal breaker for you? 



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  Posted: 12/20/2009 10:07 PM Subject: advise
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Soooo Heart broken , 23 years married found out three days ago he was cheating didn‘t think he could do that to me. Sounds like something every one here thinks. Any suggestions on what to think about all of this. But of course he‘s sorry. It will never happen again. So depressed and sick i dont want to do anything work, Christmas, talk to family, nothing? Anyone got anything?


F‘ing ASS hole, that‘s what I think.

Call a counselor get to therapy as soon as you can. Please.

How did you find out? How sincere do you think his ‘sorry‘ is?

Feels like you are living with a stranger and you are naked in your grief. I‘m so very sorry for what you are going through. There are many women - myself included that have been there and can sadly relate to what you are feeling and going through. Many women in different stages of finding out.

Please feel free to post, we will be here for you and help you through this. It‘s a lonely place to be right now, you probably don‘t know who to trust - not even yourself.

Do you have kids at home?

It‘s freakin‘ Christmas. How could he?




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  Posted: 12/21/2009 7:11 AM Subject: advise
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You have every right to feel upset.  I remember those feelings well and it‘s been 4 years ago about this time of year too.  Don‘t be surprised if he buys some extravagent jewelery for you this year. 

It‘s always a blind sided blow to find out something like this.  I felt like I didn‘t know my husband at all, that I was living in a different world than he was.

Please give yourself time to figure out your feelings.  If he is truly repentive he will do whatever is neccessary to fix this.  Make sure you ask all the questions you need to and that he anwers honestly.  Something like this can not be swept under the rug.  This will affect the rest of your relationship with him, together or not.



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  Posted: 12/21/2009 2:26 PM Subject: advise
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like you‘ve been kicked in the stomach. I remember it so well. I‘m so sorry for you.
as for him: it‘s difficult to trust much of what he will say right now. my husband promised everything and as soon as possible was back with the mistress. he is with her today. they don‘t stand a chance but they think they are in love.
please get to a counselor of some sort. just that action, plus posting here, is a bit of your power. you need to make yourself the priority. and, if he has nothing more to hide, he should be hiding absolutely nothing now. dig through his things, in front of him or privately. call in sick. you are. take care of YOU. right now your business is your personal life. if you have kids, try to keep this private a bit longer. they‘ll learn soon enough. we all know the shame, the pain and the inability to sleep and stop crying. been there. all of us. let us help you. this is a healing place. you can reach out here anytime and we will respond.
remember: being caught in an affair means all bets are off. you need to think clearly and question EVERYTHING. you‘ll have your answers soon enough. get copies of his phone use, pull a credit report on him to see if he has any cards you don‘t know about, and ask him everything. if he will not give you the honest truth, you have a big answer right now.
hang in there. we will help you find strength.



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  Posted: 12/21/2009 2:50 PM Subject: advise
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i feel how it is tobe in your shoes, it is very hard to handle it. I believe members here give good advice.

at the end, you will make the choice for your life, sometime couples recover and move on great.... if your partner is willing to work on it and put a end and i hope he does not have any other record of cheating.. it depends how you feel and think about it and have good conversation with him and try to find out everything in a honest way.

i really wish you a happier holiday season with love.

peace

summer



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  Posted: 12/21/2009 4:17 PM Subject: advise
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Soooo Heart broken , 23 years married found out three days ago he was cheating didn‘t think he could do that to me. Sounds like something every one here thinks. Any suggestions on what to think about all of this. But of course he‘s sorry. It will never happen again. So depressed and sick i dont want to do anything work, Christmas, talk to family, nothing? Anyone got anything?



Thank all of you for  your responses.I feel like i have no one to talk to or everyone will find out


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Soooo Heart broken , 23 years married found out three days ago he was cheating didn‘t think he could do that to me. Sounds like something every one here thinks. Any suggestions on what to think about all of this. But of course he‘s sorry. It will never happen again. So depressed and sick i dont want to do anything work, Christmas, talk to family, nothing? Anyone got anything?


This has been going on now for
6 months i knew something was up but not this.WHY WHY WHY?
the kids are grown.both boys. probably would be mad @ their dad.I‘m sorry to who every has to have this pain its the worst. sounds like most of you left. supposedly they were not girls friend only sex partners


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  Posted: 12/21/2009 5:42 PM Subject: advise
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 supposedly they were not girls friend only sex partners


And that’s suppose to make it better?  I think not!  What a jerk.  He is not feeling remorseful I gather?

 

I felt so embarrassed and I did not want anyone to know.  That is a normal feeling.  But after a while I thought, why be embarrassed, I didn’t do anything wrong.  I told people what was happening and it was a blessing.  I got so much support.  Don’t be afraid to talk to your friends and family.

 

I also blamed myself, which I believe most women do for some stupid reason.  Stop blaming yourself.  He chose to have an affair, let him suffer the consequences.  You did nothing wrong.

 

Not all of us left, by the way.



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  Posted: 12/21/2009 7:44 PM Subject: advise
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Soooo Heart broken , 23 years married found out three days ago he was cheating didn‘t think he could do that to me. Sounds like something every one here thinks. Any suggestions on what to think about all of this. But of course he‘s sorry. It will never happen again. So depressed and sick i dont want to do anything work, Christmas, talk to family, nothing? Anyone got anything?


This has been going on now for
6 months i knew something was up but not this.WHY WHY WHY?
the kids are grown.both boys. probably would be mad @ their dad.I‘m sorry to who every has to have this pain its the worst. sounds like most of you left. supposedly they were not girls friend only sex partners


I stayed.  Only because it was an online affair.  Lasted a year and half.  Still hurt like hell to read the love letters, find the dirty pictures and digest the phone sex. 

You can talk to us.  You are amongst many who have "been there". 



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  Posted: 12/22/2009 12:41 PM Subject: advise
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Soooo Heart broken , 23 years married found out three days ago he was cheating didn‘t think he could do that to me. Sounds like something every one here thinks. Any suggestions on what to think about all of this. But of course he‘s sorry. It will never happen again. So depressed and sick i dont want to do anything work, Christmas, talk to family, nothing? Anyone got anything?


This has been going on now for
6 months i knew something was up but not this.WHY WHY WHY?
the kids are grown.both boys. probably would be mad @ their dad.I‘m sorry to who every has to have this pain its the worst. sounds like most of you left. supposedly they were not girls friend only sex partners


I‘m guessing it‘s a little easier on the heart to think that they were just objects that he used rather than an emotional connection. All of us have that - well if he ever crossed THAT line (whatever that line may be for us) then that would be it. As busty said her‘s was  - it was online, yours may be - if he were in love with them, some will not tolerate/will not forgive cheating in any form. We all have our own built in limitations.

So what is your story, if you don‘t mind sharing. You said, you have had your suspicions for the last six months. So what was going on? How did you finally find out?

I also stayed. Each of us here are doing what is right for us whether it‘s to stay or go. You‘ll not be judged for your choice. We immediately got into counseling, individual group and marriage. It was a long rough road. The hardest thing - I think, is living with other peoples choices. For me forgiveness came easy, the challenge was living with what I knew. I HAD to have details, had to know it all. I craved it, thought it was the only way to heal - the truth sets you free, lies keep you stuck. And one thing I didn‘t want was to remain stuck, not only in my grief but in all his lies.

And man oh man THAT is all affairs are built on. One friggin‘ lie after another. He feared what the truth would do so it drove him near insanity questioning himself - do I tell the truth or lie to protect her. Thank God he chose truth. Lying is ‘my line‘ he couldn‘t cross,  he couldn‘t lie, he had to tell the truth no matter how hard it was, he had to put me first and honesty I believed did that. I would forgive him anything as long as when I asked he was honest with me. Period.

 If you chose to say - demand the truth - for that matter demand what it is that wil make you whole. Now it is ALL about you and he damn sure better realize that.

Again please know we are here for you!


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  Posted: 12/22/2009 2:20 PM Subject: advise
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Welcome to womansavers!

I am sorry that this happened to you.  You are surrounded by people that understand your pain.

For me  I caught him within a week of the affair.  We tried to work it out and it didn‘t work.  I asked him to leave and he did.  I was married for 20 years most of those years were great.  It was like losing my Best Friend.  But then I realized that if he really wanted to be married to me,  he would have made me happy,  he wouldn‘t have continued to lie to me.  That was my breaking point.  I kept finding out more things that were lies. He didn‘t come clean.  He is a terrible liar and I am good at finding mistakes in his stories.

We have been totally split up for over 2 years,  I have never been happier!

Learn to love yourself again! 

Stay or leave  you need to feel good about yourself!  The wonderful ladies here and a few men  helpped me thru the hardest time of my life!



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  Posted: 12/26/2009 7:29 PM Subject: advise
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THANKS TO ALL OF YOU !
I never thought i would get this kind of support from a chat line. THANK YOU! You all have shared you stories with me &  i ‘m sorry you had to go through this it feels like sh-t.
I can‘t trust him. He tells me he‘s sooo sorry. I have a hard time believing him. Says he will do anything to make it up to me. O but of course got that ring for christmas says it was for love. Nothing that i know of has ever happened in the 23 years of marriage. He starting out hiding his chatting online. Finally caught him at it he said he was sorry it would never happen again he dosn‘t know why he did it. He says he didn‘t have sex with them at this point. HAHA! Grounded him like a kid from the computer.Gradually over a couple months he wanted to check the news on the computer. I would watch him for a while as time went by i would leave him alone with it thinking he was sorry and woundn‘t dare attempt that again.One night while working from home one of his bitc-- called my office. Stupid used my phone to call her. At first he didn‘t do anything just met her. Later that night he said i have something to tell you do you want to know. I said yes. One turned into seven i was pissed i wanted him out. I still have not forgave him he has to sleep in another room. No more cooking or cleanig on my part. Can‘t get counseling for a couple of weeks too much of this going on in the world.i Guess i will attempt to work on this we have had a good marriage up to this point but we will see what counseling will do for us.



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  Posted: 12/27/2009 9:22 AM Subject: advise
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I down loaded Pandora PC.  It records screen shots and keystrokes.  I still check up on my H.  I forgave, but I have NOT forgotten!!

If I ever catch him doing something like that again I will have him strung by his nuts so fast his head will spin.

Sad thing is our relationships will never be the same as they were before.  It sucks to be suspicious and guarded.  Like I said before beat the answers out of him you need.  If you don‘t you will always wonder and it‘s like beating a dead horse over and over and will cause friction down the road.

Why am I not surprised that your Christmas gift was glittery??

 

 

 



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  Posted: 12/28/2009 12:23 PM Subject: advise
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But of course the jewelry makes up for everything right.  NOT!  He has already sweep this under the rug like I‘m suppose to forget. I stay awake at night trying to figure this shi# out. Do you suspect yours of still cheating ? How long has it been since he told you or you found out?

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  Posted: 12/28/2009 2:41 PM Subject: advise
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I am writing as a lawyer with some decades experience.

When you catch a man, that first time...trust me...it is not his first time.  It is the first time you caught him.

Now this is hard to deal with, but you are lucky in that your kids are on their own, so you can clean out the bank account and go to Barbados.

This is the first time you caught him...
remember that...

In most cases a man has been unfaithful a number of times before you catch him.

I can think of a situation where after 7 years the wife caught the hubby...but the hubby had been unfaithful to that wife with different women less than a year into the marriage.

Often, after a number of affairs the hubby wants to be caught, hence this computer crap.

I can run a number of identities on facebook myspace etc that can never be traced back to me. This is how easy it is to hide what one does on the Internet.

If he didn‘t want you to catch him, he‘d create a new account, join all these sites in that new account, do whatever, then delete the account when he logged off, do a defrag and clean up, and I, (who am a bit of a geek) would have to go into DOS to find what happened. And all I might be able to find was that the computer connected to facebook. And then, if he used a proxy server, I‘d only find that he used a proxy.

To break it real simple....

I create a new account on the computer called newaccount.
I enter, connect to ninjaproxy and via ninjaproxy to facebook. I have created an account...wildstallion...I have all the cybersex I can possibly stomach. I log off the Internet, log off the machine, log on as Administrator, delete the newaccount and all contents.

I am banging you over the head with this to show you that he wanted to be caught, meaning it was not his first affair.

I‘m sure Tiger Woods has told his wife the same things your husband has told you.



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Thank all of you for  your responses.I feel like i have no one to talk to or everyone will find out


tell no one. not until you decide what to do.


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p.s. start snooping around for every financial piece of paper you can find. take them and hide them or take them and copy them and hide the copies.

sometimes men in affairs use marital assets to pay for their fun.



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Malarky is quite right...

Many men do hide their value when they enter affairs, because before the first word; they are protecting themselves...which of course proves the affair didn‘t just ‘happen.‘


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