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gogirl1
  Posted: 10/4/2009 6:48 AM Subject: Gaslighting.....
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Hi all

Have any of you had experience of this in your lives? And to what degree?

From internet research I can see it comes in many shapes and forms. I‘ve tried finding more out in regard to objects, furniture being moved etc etc. Can‘t seem to get much info on this though, only that the person who does this will usually hide your things. Then surprisingly find them for you thus giving them a kind of hero feeling (at least in their minds) Or plant them back in the place they should have been all along (making you distrust your own judgements)

Am interested to hear your experiences.

 



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  Posted: 10/5/2009 10:12 AM Subject: Gaslighting.....
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gogirl1 wrote:

Hi all

Have any of you had experience of this in your lives? And to what degree?

From internet research I can see it comes in many shapes and forms. I‘ve tried finding more out in regard to objects, furniture being moved etc etc. Can‘t seem to get much info on this though, only that the person who does this will usually hide your things. Then surprisingly find them for you thus giving them a kind of hero feeling (at least in their minds) Or plant them back in the place they should have been all along (making you distrust your own judgements)

Am interested to hear your experiences.

 



sorry gogirl...i dont know that one


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  Posted: 10/5/2009 11:40 AM Subject: Gaslighting.....
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Yes, I have experienced it.  Not in the way that he was trying to make it out to be that he was my hero though.

My husband had a different purpose. He was trying to make me distrust myself and cover for his own actions.

I didn‘t realize it was gaslighting until my counselor pointed it out to me.  The way she explained it was that he was trying to make me second guess myself.  "Maybe I over reacted".  "Maybe it wasn‘t so bad, because he is adamant that it didn‘t happen that way".

He was great at minimizing and switching gears when he messed up.  Flat out lying was his speciatly. The bigger the lie the angrier he became.  And he came off as such a nice guy to everyone else.  My best friend saw through him though.  Always consult your best friend BEFORE getting married.

Here are some of my experiences with gaslighting:

 1. While on a trip with his family he got angry with me.  I ended up going back to the hotel room to get away from him and try to figure out just what had happened.  He came back and was screaming at me, yelling at the top of his lungs and repeatedly calling me a bitch and telling me I was selfish. I was sure his mother could hear him from the room next door, but she never came over.  All of my children were in the room watching and hearing every word he said to me.

The next day he DENIED ever calling me a bitch or any other name or even yelling at me.  My children didn‘t say anything in front of him for fear of the retribution.  Later, My 14 year old said "Mom, he was too calling you a bitch".  We were all here for it.

There were many instances like that one  I will write down a few.

Another one was I had broken my foot while at work.  I work nights.  I called him and told him that I was in the emergency room and that I thought I had broken something.  He was agitated and saying "what do you want me to do about it?"  He was getting crabby.  I was sad, hurt and in somewhat disbelief that my own husband would not come to the emergency room.

I did indeed break it.  I called and told him that I did.  He was angry with me and shouting what the hell do you want from me?  I tried to remain calm and not bust out in tears in the emergency room in front of the doctor and nurses.  I told him that I had a pair of crutches in a closet and we could save some money if I didn‘t buy a pair at the ER.  I tried to make things easier on him by getting someone to wheel me out to my car.  I had broken my left foot thankfully.  I asked him to meet me in the driveway with my crutches and help me in.

He did not meet me in the driveway.  In fact he did‘t even answer the phone when I got home.  I hobbled into the house and tried to climb the steps.  I yelled for him because I was in pain.  My husband got out of bed stormed past me after asking what the hell I wanted.  He pushed me on the stairs on his way to get me the crutches.  He brought the crutches up from the downstairs closet and threw them violently at me...hitting my broken foot.

I had enough.  As he was going down the hallway in tears I finally just said to him that I wanted a divorce.  This is where he finally realized that his actions might cost him something.  He didn‘t want that!  So he returns, offeres to help me get the crutches to the right size. He doesn‘t apologize.  He claims that I didn‘t or wouldn‘t explain to him properly what I wanted.  He also says at this time it isn‘t his fault because he was in a deep sleep and didn‘t want to be woken.

 The next day he has this grand idea that he is going to take a week off and help me out around the house.  We had 4 children at the time two of them were only two and one years old.

So, he talks to his boss, takes a week vacation.  He then tells everyone he knows how he is taking a weeks vacation to help me because of my broken foot.  What he really does is play endless hours of online computer games.  This is a vacation for him.  My 12 year old ends up learning how to cook.  The most he actually does is throw some laundry in the machines and then bring them to me to fold. 

I was in a cast for 3 1/2 months.  During which time was my 40th birthday.  He didn‘t throw me a party, even though I asked for one.  Instead he said he was going to have it at a place with steps, but didn‘t figure I could make it up the stairs in crutches. ....hello We have steps I had been doing in our house on crutches.  At the last minute and while I am in tears he grudgingly takes us out for dinner.

This one is the creme de le creme of gaslighting.  Totally blew my mind.

I will refer to this one as the "Crazy Dishwasher Incident".

Like I said before, I worked nights on the weekends.  As for normal with my husband he would not do any cleaning or helping of anything while he was home alone.  On this particular weekend my two oldest children were visiting their father.  DLB (my soon to be ex husband) was home alone with our two young children.  I put in about 32 hours in two days on the weekends.

I was upset when on Sunday morning I find that there isn‘t a clean bowl in the house to give my child cereal in.  My husband comes out of the bedroom angry because I had to tell my 5 year old that I had to wash a dish before I could feed him...and clear off the table from every meal eaten while I was gone. 

My husband blew up.  He started taking all the dishes that my mother gave us and threw them on the floor busting them.  My 5 year old son was in tears.  From there my husband turned to kicking in our dishwasher.  I could see the fear in my little boys eyes.  I needed to make my husband stop his tantrum.  I told him that I was going to call the police on him if he didn‘t leave to go calm down right now! DLB (this stands for DumbLazyBastard, my now preferred nickname for him) After yelling and calling me a ****, bitch and anything else he could think of he finally left.

DLB comes back a few hours later with two new boxes of dishes from walmart.  He places them in our entryway with a card apologizing and then leaves for another hour or so.

In the card he states that he knows he has done wrong but he just doesn‘t want to talk about it when he comes home because it will make him angry.

He does come home.  I am of course upset.  I try to talk to him and explain that I don‘t like him calling me names, throwing things etc.  He says he doesn‘t want to hear about it.  I picked up a comic book off of our coffee table.  I smacked it down like you would with a newspaper to make a point.  I was telling him that the rules to our arguing were not to include names anymore and that this was hurting me!

This is when my husband stood up from the loveseat we were sitting on, whipped out his cell phone and called the police.  I sat there in amazement as I listened to him tell them that I HIT him!

At this point I considered actually hitting him to make it true, but realized that he had called them and reported me, so he could now hit me and make it self defense.

I got up and went into the kitchen where I finished making pork chops that I had been making and waited for the police to arrive.

The police did show up.  I told the officer what had happened.  This hadn‘t been the first crazy phone call my husband had made to them. They asked him to leave for the evening after I explained what had been going on.

My husband swore that I hit him...even to ME.   DLB then informed me that I was lucky I didn‘t leave a mark because they would have thrown me in jail....and maybe he shouldn‘t call the police next time.

I then began to realize that my husband had been trying to set me up. 

I have quite a few more stories about my toxic husband, and his gaslighting attempts.  I am still psychologically messed up from this stuff.  I have a hard time realizing that THIS was my reality..and yes he was gutsy enough to pull this crap.

There are too many to write.  But this has actually been good therapy for me.  I had been so depressed about my failed marriage, and there is nothing I can do about it.  I had to leave him to survive.

 

 

 

 

 



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  Posted: 10/5/2009 11:48 AM Subject: Gaslighting.....
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Hello,

I looked up the term on Wikipedia, and read a little about it.  I don‘t have very much experience with someone hiding things on me, but I did have my most recent EX break my stuff or throw it across the room when I was not present, and then fail to admit to doing it. 

Some examples (ok, ladies, the start of my letting things out...):
-when we were moving, he was mad so he threw some stuff that I KNOW was in a certain part of the laundry room but then ended up on the opposite side, after he was moving the washer, upon which the item stood. Did that make sense??

-He slashed about 1/6 of my clothes that were hanging in the closet, last year.  He was insistent that he did not cut them (no one else was every allowed in our bedroom).  (eventually he admitted to it, after I was very p*ssed off for several days, but he followed up the apology with an explanation of why chose to cut my clothes, and that led to another fight.....)

-We had an argument one day, and I know he throws stuff, he was in the living room.  I left for work, but when I got back I couldn‘t find the remotes.  After asking him, he swore he didn‘t see them and even got mad at me for asking him several times.  I finally located them across the room under the xmas tree, consistent with them being thrown across the room.

Not quite the same thing, but a little similar??




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  Posted: 10/5/2009 11:58 AM Subject: Gaslighting.....
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Miss Luvly1 wrote:

Yes, I have experienced it.  Not in the way that he was trying to make it out to be that he was my hero though.




Miss Luvly,

My EX sounds very similar to your DLB.  Every example you stated I could see my EX in it.  He didn‘t call the Police on me (as far as I know, he could very well have filed false police reports on me.. he has done this to other people, as he admitted to me).  He did call his sister and tell her lies, and I think that is why she came here to help him move out and and then proceeded to tell ME off, and how could I do THAT to him...

I am hoping she was just in denial of his true behavior, and doesn‘t actually fall for his BS.


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  Posted: 10/5/2009 5:53 PM Subject: Gaslighting.....
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Miss L,

Your DLB (love the name for him) sounds like the king of this topic. You are a damn strong woman for pushing through this...I am inspired by your strength.

Nowiseethetruth,

I‘m so glad you decided to let it out. This is the place to do it...and you will feel better and be better for letting it out of your system.



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  Posted: 10/6/2009 12:58 PM Subject: Gaslighting.....
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Thanks all for replying to my thrread.

Miss Luvly as I read your post it seriously made me want to cry. Being married to such a man must have really taken its toll. You are a very strong woman and I‘m glad you are out of it now.

As you explained how he wouldn‘t do the dishes etc etc and you‘d do all the cooking reminded me of my ex too (smashing plates ). As I look back at the way we lived our lives I can see those tell-tale signs coming through. It used to exhaust me the way he would not do anything for me at all.

It‘s funny how as you read more and more about these types of people the more you can recognise the patterns. It‘s like they are all the same???! Bizarre personality traits that are common place. Using the same old means of manipulation.....giving out chores to tire you, criticising your every behaviour to demean and undermine, flat denial of what was said and done.

When he phoned the police to report you for something you didn‘t do, well that really sent a chill down my spine. I have a similar experience with my mother doing the same to my father. She‘ll deny anything. I can‘t stand these people, they really do mess with your brain.

Good news is I feel I‘m breaking the pattern. I know what psychological toll these people cause. After living with a mother like this I then stayed with (attracted) a man who was one of these types and so thought it was normal. After setting myself free of him my mother then decided to start her reign of horror. I don‘t see either of them anymore and I‘m becoming soooo confident. I‘m pretty sure I‘m adept at recognising one of these people pretty quickly, which is good

They‘re predators plain and simple. It‘s chilling how many of them are about.

 

 

 



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  Posted: 10/6/2009 4:00 PM Subject: Gaslighting.....
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Gogirl,

I was thinking the same as you are, after reading some on this forum.  I feel that right now, I can spot one a mile away!  And I really do feel that they are predators.. they have to feel a person out and see if they will put up with a little BS, and then more and more and more, until you realize it‘s 3 years later and you don‘t know what the heck happened to your life.  I remember, thinking back, when he was ‘feeling me out‘ soon after we first met. 

It started slow, confused the heck out of me, but, I put up with it.  That‘s what I did wrong.  I should never have allowed him that, because it just led to more and more and bigger stuff.  I will never allow anyone this.  I HAVE to listen to my instinct, when it feels ‘wrong‘ or ‘just not right‘ even if I can‘t put my finger on it, I will back up and re-assess the situation. 

I am not sure I can survive another one of those relationships. 

GoGirl, well, YOU go girl!  Stay away from them two, you don‘t need them!!


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  Posted: 10/13/2009 12:36 AM Subject: Gaslighting.....
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Hey there all,

Reading all these stories makes me grind my teeth in anger but eh well! Miss Luvly, stay strong, you‘re an inspiration for all and I admire your composure!

My ex fiance was a master of mind games, so gaslighting was of course top of the priority list. Apart from throwing things away secretly just for me to find out and give him an excuse to snap back at my bewilderment, he would start arguments by yelling at the top of his voice and then accuse me of shouting at him. This projection seemed to go on indefinitely - quite often I would find myself defending my actions against the very things that I was accusing him of. Thankfully he was dumb enough to do this in front of friends, which helped me keep my sanity after the witnesses confirmed that the accusations he was throwing at me were the very things he was doing wrong - often intentionally!


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  Posted: 10/14/2009 1:08 PM Subject: Gaslighting.....
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Yes,I have experienced this thanks to knowing one too many men/women with NPD traits.

http://www.melanietoniaevans.com.au/articles/narcissist-behaviours.htm

Gaslighting’ Techniques by the Narcissist

Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse that is used by narcissists that is deeply insidious and difficult to pinpoint. It works by instilling confusion. If you are being gaslighted you will lose trust in your senses, identity and common environment.

The narcissist will tell you:

  • What you are feeling and thinking;
  • An interaction that you believed was decent with another person actually had agendas connected to it;
  • Your body language appears suggestive to other people;
  • A friend or family member has made certain references about you;
  • You were seen in a certain place acting inappropriately;
  • You said or did something (you weren’t aware of) when tired, distracted, unaware, intoxicated or asleep;
  • Certain information was discovered about you;
  • Certain people (you thought were loyal) are now agreeing about your faults;
  • The incident (created by the narcissist) was your fault, or merely a perception based on your paranoia or unstable emotions;
  • An excuse for the incidence based on a ‘story’ that extracts guilt from you, whereby you feel awful for making the ‘judgement’ you did;
  • Other people perceive you as bossy, controlling, manipulative, uncaring, incapable etc. (defective in some way).

All they are really doing is projecting thier own insecurities and fears onto you.It‘s hard to know that while it‘s going on though and it get‘s right under your skin and keeps you doubting your own judgement.The goal I think,is to keep you off balance so they can do even more damage to your self esteem in an effort to control you.Scary stuff!



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  Posted: 10/15/2009 10:19 PM Subject: Gaslighting.....
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gogirl1 wrote:

Hi all

Have any of you had experience of this in your lives? And to what degree?

From internet research I can see it comes in many shapes and forms. I‘ve tried finding more out in regard to objects, furniture being moved etc etc. Can‘t seem to get much info on this though, only that the person who does this will usually hide your things. Then surprisingly find them for you thus giving them a kind of hero feeling (at least in their minds) Or plant them back in the place they should have been all along (making you distrust your own judgements)

Am interested to hear your experiences.

 



 I noticed once that my husband stopped wearing his wedding band and after awhile of seeing it laying there on our entertainment center I decided I was going to hide it to prove a point. I‘m not sure if this the same thing or not, but after a week of him going through panic, and me denying that I ever took it I gentle replaced it back where he left it.

  I used to do a very awful thing such as brush the toilets with his tooth brush after he verbally abused me, I found it fitting that a dirty tooth brush went into a dirty mouth, Of course till this day he still doesn‘t know.( This was when I was much less mature)



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Wisdum wrote:

All they are really doing is projecting thier own insecurities and fears onto you.It‘s hard to know that while it‘s going on though and it get‘s right under your skin and keeps you doubting your own judgement.The goal I think,is to keep you off balance so they can do even more damage to your self esteem in an effort to control you.Scary stuff!



This is really messed up.
I am well aware that I just got out of  a relationship like this, but I still wonder..
What makes people like this?  Do they just evolve to this? 
I guess it‘s probably a cycle, from when they‘re growing up, that molds them toward these tendencies, or maybe hard lessons in life??

It‘s just so plain, black on white, to read about this on paper (err..computer screen), how mind blowing this is.  If one was presented with this scenario in a movie, for example, you‘d be appalled, and it would be so obvious how F*cked up this person is. 
I guess, that person keeps you thinking that things might actually get better, they must, because I stayed with mine for nearly 3 years!

There should be an A*shole meter, so when you meet someone, you can have them breathe into it and then you‘ll know ahead of time before you get attached.. LOL.



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