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The answer as to why you got involved with a psychopath, (whom you were madly in love with) is simply that he swept you off your feet.
He came into your life, like that knight on the white horse, wanted your exclusivity from virtually the first date, and so you, absolutely believed beyond a reasonable doubt this man was so in love with you, far beyond normal expectation.
Just imagine Kobe Beef. If you ever saw how those animals are pampered, how they are certain their owners adore them, so that when they are slaughtered they are completely relaxed.
You are Kobe Beef.
You are made to believe that this man will happily die for you, that you can always depend on him with your life. That he loves you so much he can‘t live without you.
And that is why you stay.
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I have missed your words because they make so much sense when read carefully.
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Not only don‘t we try to understand why he left our predecessor, even if he tells us, we don‘t internalise.
Tina asked Dick whey he broke up with Myra. Dick explained that he‘d gotten Myra pregnant, and Myra‘s mother took her to have an abortion. Dick was so angry he went over to the house and began to beat up Myra, and her mother called the police and he left.
H E L L O ???????
EAR TO BRAIN COME IN BRAIN
Dick was going to college, Myra had just started when the pregnancy was discerned. Myra‘s mother decided that her daughter‘s future would not be destroyed and took her to the doctor. And Dick, has the audacity to go into Myra‘s Mother‘s House to punch up Myra.
H E L L O ??????
EAR TO BRAIN, COME IN BRAIN.
And despite this...Tina MARRIED Dick.
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Yep, this is so true. I am with this guy that totally had me believing he was this great family guy and in the gym all the time, and in reality he is verbally abusive, chronic overeater, and plays video games all the time. He is still a good person in some ways, I just think some of these guys prey on women looking for the family guy.
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The question we should ask; investigate, and prove is why he broke up with his ex...
Too often a chap tells us a story. We don‘t even verify it. We always want to believe him.
We must not try to weigh the good vs the bad so that the good outweighs the bad....well he‘s a drunk but he‘s very handy, well he smells bad, but he has a nice smile.
Let me be very blunt; you have friends, if you wouldn‘t accept X from your friends you don‘t accept X from him. There are not two separate tolerable/intolerable demarcations...there is only one.
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| kaylar wrote: | The question we should ask; investigate, and prove is why he broke up with his ex...
Too often a chap tells us a story. We don‘t even verify it. We always want to believe him.
We must not try to weigh the good vs the bad so that the good outweighs the bad....well he‘s a drunk but he‘s very handy, well he smells bad, but he has a nice smile.
Let me be very blunt; you have friends, if you wouldn‘t accept X from your friends you don‘t accept X from him. There are not two separate tolerable/intolerable demarcations...there is only one.
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Oh My Goodness Kaylar! You are SOOOO right about that one!
I still vaguely wondered if it was my fault, and maybe my husband wasn‘t cheating etc. Maybe he had a right to be angry for me suspecting him....Even though there was much proof. I still left him because of the horrible way he treated me in the end. Now I understand that it takes a huge amount of covering up for an affair and that it made him angry......! He actually RESTENTED ME, because he wouldn‘t leave, he would rather cheat.
Now, after all this time I ran into a woman who was my husband‘s X sister in law. She tells me all. My husband was the cheater in that marriage as well!
He had told me that his X - wife had left him for another man! I couldn‘t understand why he didn‘t get how I felt. The secrets lunches I found out about, the emails..etc. My husband lies about everything. From the get go our marriage has been one big lie.
If I had bothered to wait instead of getting married to this fool within 10 months of meeting him I would have known the truth. If possible...you should be able to talk to the ex-wife.
My husband‘s mother was adamant that it was his x-wife‘s daughter‘s fault that broke up their marriage. Now she is convinced that it is my son who broke up ours. She claims to be for us..yet she would not talk to my husband when I asked her to. His mother actually told me she thought we should get a divorce. What a ****ed up mother she is. Why wouldn‘t she straighten out her son?
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The question we should ask; investigate, and prove is why he broke up with his ex...
Too often a chap tells us a story. We don‘t even verify it. We always want to believe him.
We must not try to weigh the good vs the bad so that the good outweighs the bad....well he‘s a drunk but he‘s very handy, well he smells bad, but he has a nice smile.
Let me be very blunt; you have friends, if you wouldn‘t accept X from your friends you don‘t accept X from him. There are not two separate tolerable/intolerable demarcations...there is only one.
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My husband‘s mother was adamant that it was his x-wife‘s daughter‘s fault that broke up their marriage. Now she is convinced that it is my son who broke up ours. She claims to be for us..yet she would not talk to my husband when I asked her to. His mother actually told me she thought we should get a divorce. What a ****ed up mother she is. Why wouldn‘t she straighten out her son? |
You‘ll probably never find out the reason(s) for that one, Ms. Luvly. I‘ll take a stab at a guess, though....
Maybe if she did talk to him, he would throw some things about his childhood in her face that would be painful. Who knows what her and her husband‘s r‘ship was/is like. Maybe there‘s something there that keeps her hiding from the truth. She‘s apparently become accustomed to that. Or it could simply be that she is one of those my-child-does-no-wrong moms.
I‘m glad you had the opportunity to speak with the ex. That must‘ve taken your mental state leaps and bounds to a better place.

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One of the most fantastic stories...(if there were other people there I‘d think I was having a delusion)...was when the potential woman comes up, rudely, to where the ‘wife‘ was sitting, and immediately goes; "I want to talk to YOU!" I mean is this woman nuts? She had the breeding of a junk yard dog.
The wife looks at her, and the girl begins to ask these questions...and we can not hide our mirth, because the husband is a liar from liar land, the wife is actually the ‘ex‘ wife so the potential was not, as she believed the other woman.
Just hearing the lies ... it was incredible. The potential actually starts to cry at some point, She had believed the ex was still married to her ‘darling‘ and that there were excuses on top of excuses as to why this that and the next thing.
Although I certainly couldn‘t see myself going up to three women having lunch and doing this Question and Answer performance, although artless the potential was not as stupid as she looked.
I reflect on how many times you have this ‘poor baby man‘ whose wife left him...when in truth he forced her out by his adultery or brutality.
I think we have to admit that a marriage breaks up because of various factors and that the H or the W might not have all the facts, or wish to grant all the facts.
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One of the most fantastic stories...(if there were other people there I‘d think I was having a delusion)...was when the potential woman comes up, rudely, to where the ‘wife‘ was sitting, and immediately goes; "I want to talk to YOU!" I mean is this woman nuts? She had the breeding of a junk yard dog.
The wife looks at her, and the girl begins to ask these questions...and we can not hide our mirth, because the husband is a liar from liar land, the wife is actually the ‘ex‘ wife so the potential was not, as she believed the other woman.
Just hearing the lies ... it was incredible. The potential actually starts to cry at some point, She had believed the ex was still married to her ‘darling‘ and that there were excuses on top of excuses as to why this that and the next thing.
Although I certainly couldn‘t see myself going up to three women having lunch and doing this Question and Answer performance, although artless the potential was not as stupid as she looked.
I reflect on how many times you have this ‘poor baby man‘ whose wife left him...when in truth he forced her out by his adultery or brutality.
I think we have to admit that a marriage breaks up because of various factors and that the H or the W might not have all the facts, or wish to grant all the facts.
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Hey Kaylar,
Well the truth does come out eventually. There was another one that he was calling while he was still living here and we hadn‘t talked about divorce. That was a "Darla". That name had actually came out of his mouth a few times now that I look back.
My kids came home today and talked about her. He is dating her. He took my kids to HER house this weekend while he had them. It still upsets me to realize that everything that came out of his mouth was nothing but lies.
He has no morales. He is empty and dead inside. How could he do this to someone who was always trying to work on our marriage? No wonder it couldn‘t work. I told him that if he didn‘t want to be married to me to just leave, that if he was cheating to let me know and not make me the fool.
Now I don‘t think I could look at him without wanting to hit him.
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A lot of men have become entranced by the ‘game‘ of it not about the ‘it‘ of ‘it‘. They are unfaithful to be unfaithful and they don‘t reference their actions.
Many women are unwilling to accept the fact that many men are ‘born‘ cheaters. They can‘t bond.
For example, take Kev. His ‘best friends‘ are people he has known ‘forever‘. Not only is he close with his brothers, a chap he met in primary school is still his best friend. Another best friend is someone he met twenty years ago. When you speak to him it is the same names over and over again; so that in 1996 he can tell you what Al said, in 2006 he can tell you what Al said because Al is still his friend.
Take Vic; his friends change like his shirt. If you meet him in 2000 his ‘best‘ friend is Rob, In 2001 it is Cal, in 03 it is Charles,
A woman who marries Kev has a keeper. He can bond. A woman who gets involved with Vic has met someone who will be unfaithful because he can‘t link with anyone. He is always moving on, and leaving sour tastes.
With a guy like Vic even finding Rob and why he and Vic are no longer friends is instructive; because he betrays his friends as much as he betrays his wives.
The key is to find a man who has a good relationship with his family, who has friends forever.
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| kaylar wrote: | A lot of men have become entranced by the ‘game‘ of it not about the ‘it‘ of ‘it‘. They are unfaithful to be unfaithful and they don‘t reference their actions.
Many women are unwilling to accept the fact that many men are ‘born‘ cheaters. They can‘t bond.
For example, take Kev. His ‘best friends‘ are people he has known ‘forever‘. Not only is he close with his brothers, a chap he met in primary school is still his best friend. Another best friend is someone he met twenty years ago. When you speak to him it is the same names over and over again; so that in 1996 he can tell you what Al said, in 2006 he can tell you what Al said because Al is still his friend.
Take Vic; his friends change like his shirt. If you meet him in 2000 his ‘best‘ friend is Rob, In 2001 it is Cal, in 03 it is Charles,
A woman who marries Kev has a keeper. He can bond. A woman who gets involved with Vic has met someone who will be unfaithful because he can‘t link with anyone. He is always moving on, and leaving sour tastes.
With a guy like Vic even finding Rob and why he and Vic are no longer friends is instructive; because he betrays his friends as much as he betrays his wives.
The key is to find a man who has a good relationship with his family, who has friends forever.
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Well that was the weird part. When I met DLB (dumblazybastard) he had some friends. 4 to be exact. Not ONE of them had been married. To this day only one of them has married. But they were only friends because they worked together. They all think hitting the strip clubs is cool and they feel connected to the strippers because they are earning their way through college! What a laugh!
He wasn‘t close to his Mom and the others, but his NON-working Dad was living with him. His Dad would later come and live with us on occasion.
When we married and had children, suddenly he started developing a relationship with his younger sister again. Then I realized in the last year of our marriage that he had been getting closer to them so he could line them up as jurrors.
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If I were writing a book about domestic violence, the ‘Text Book‘ case I would use is N. He follows the procedure, including, suddenly becoming close with his older sister to use her to fight their mother‘s will against the two younger siblings.
N was not close to anyone in his family, ever. Now, in his 50s, his mother dying, he suddenly links with his sister to fight over the ‘dead left‘.
So he is getting his version of a ‘juror‘
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The point I keep emphasising tho‘, is that when we meet him, he is ALL THAT and he is SO IN LOVE with us that we feel unworthy/guilty/overwhelmed/add whatever....so that we are Off Balance.
While we are Off Balance he races into our lives, because while we may be unsure, he is certain. While we may not be in love with him, he is in love with us.
It is that point which we never leave. We keep believing, no matter what, that he loves us more than any other man will ever love us.
And that is why we stay.
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| kaylar wrote: | The point I keep emphasising tho‘, is that when we meet him, he is ALL THAT and he is SO IN LOVE with us that we feel unworthy/guilty/overwhelmed/add whatever....so that we are Off Balance.
While we are Off Balance he races into our lives, because while we may be unsure, he is certain. While we may not be in love with him, he is in love with us.
It is that point which we never leave. We keep believing, no matter what, that he loves us more than any other man will ever love us.
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That is SO TRUE! When we were first dating he was driving 60 miles one way each day just to see me. Sex was daily if not two to three times. I would wake up to him kissing me. I would be deprived of sleep and wonder how come he didn‘t seem to need any and wished he would leave me alone for awhile.
Then suddenly in a flash one day after we had been married about 9 months he was screaming at me that he wanted a divorce. He was throwing things at me and telling me that he hated me.
I was pregnant. It was such a shock. I assumed that he would love me even more for having his child. Instead he knew I could not leave him. I was trapped.
He didn‘t really want a divorce. This was a way to hurt me. So he could SEE THE HURT. Sometimes when he had me crying I would look up and see him smiling down at me in a very condescending way.
That peep hole of what was really going on in his mind helped me to see that he is evil.
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Emotional Abuse is one of the most over looked aspects of DV. Emotional Abuse is usually the first foray.
Hurting his wife, reducing her to tears gets him hard. Makes him feel powerful. And benevolent, when he gets to console.
E.A. usually begins very very early, and sort of slips into the ‘normal wear and tear‘ of marriage, so that one almost never catches it.
it is not until long after he‘s moved into other realms of abuse, one reflects back and realises all the horrible things he said/did in early days.
It is like watching a show on T.V. and there‘s a 16 pt orange star for a part of a second, and you don‘t notice it. It pops up again and again in the scenes, and you don‘t notice it. It is only after the show is over and someone might mention; "The star symbolises pride."
Then you reflect and you realise that the star was in certain scenes, and that once you realise the symbol the scene makes sense.
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Thank you for the advice and the insight Kaylar.
It has been 9 months since my husband has been in the house.
Even though he has been gone. I have been punishing myself for the demise of our marriage. I thought maybe if I had done this differently...maybe he‘s right and he wasn‘t lying and I was falsely accusing him...and on and on.
He did send quite a few nasty emails which he further belittled me. As the abused wife I sent him an email back forgiving him. At the time, I thought I needed to forgive him in order to heal myself. He sent one back telling me that I was lying, and that I was so low inside that I was immediately looking for another man. and on and on....to fill some black hole...and on and on.
I finally was able to stop his emails. It felt wonderful. FREE! Then I found out that he was dating someone and taking the kids to see her. DOWN that path of wanting to save my marriage and wanting him back again.
I mean why didn‘t he LOVE ME? Why was he spending that first really nice self that he has on her? Yes, that was the part I was jealous about. That I know how he can be in the beginning. And since I had worked so hard to deserve to be treated like that...he should be treating me like that. But I know that all he thinks and says about me is that I am a bitch.
Deep down I realize that he cannot hold up this facade for even as long as he did with me. Soon it will be her he will be yelling at. My counselor says she‘s probably just like me and a very nice person. Because he couldn‘t do this to someone who is like him.
The thing is I have been punishing myself. It‘s like it‘s been programmed into me.
Now I am realizing that MY HUSBAND OWNS THIS. Not me. He is the cause of our marriage failing. I gave him books (Steven Stosny Love Without Hurt), asked for counseling, begged him to quit calling me names. Until I started calling him names back. Only when I yelled the names at him did he think it was wrong. When he did it he simply forgot that he had said those things.
The only thing I did different from the girl to the right of me who is in a happy marriage is that I unwittingly picked an abuser.
He lied his way into my life. Just like you say Kaylar. If he had been calling me a bitch and cheating on me the first few months would we be together? NO. I would have gotten rid of his petty ass.
He‘s a big fat liar. And for the record I feel I have every right to call him a jackass. The song Insane In The Brain comes to mind. I think that will be the song I think of every time I see him.
Now for healing me. This realization helps. I have been making it on my own with 4 kids. I am doing it. I can‘t possibly be out there searching for a new guy (lmao) because I am now too skeptical. I need to heal me first. Nobody would want a doormat. And anyone that does I need to be very affraid of.
So now..what were my dreams before the evil one stepped into my life? I‘m working on them. Where did I go?
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| Miss Luvly1 wrote: | So now..what were my dreams before the evil one stepped into my life? I‘m working on them. Where did I go? |
It‘s a brand-new start on life, a brand-new you. Fear ye not...for even if you cannot remember what those dreams were, you are now free to create new ones. And in that process, who knows...maybe those old dreams will resurface again only to be improved upon.

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We always blame ourselves. The big healing bonanza comes when ;
after you divorce him and he marries #2 a little after she divorces him gets a restraining order and the five kids he has with her don‘t want to see him in life or death
99.999% of all wives are not at fault; this is because women try to make the marriage work. Women put their lives on hold, women toss out their dreams and careers, and try.
Women put up with ... and many times are forced into situations.
When the abused woman finally grows a backbone, or he decides he wants to replace her with this year‘s model, she keeps feeling ‘if‘
The point is this; and I say this with over a quarter century‘s worth of experience; the moment the woman stops blaming herself and starts looking at the truth...as if she were watching the marriage on TV.... the healing moves at lightspeed.
An abuser needs a victim. That‘s all.
So he starts with wife #1. Runs through his repetoire until she leaves. Then he takes his experience to wife #2. Now he‘s so much better at abuse PLUS he has the...."Please don‘t hurt me the way that bitch #1 did..." so he gets #2 in the inferior position virtually from the ‘I Do‘.
The thing with #2 is that over time she will, unless totally mind dead, begin to appreciate why #1 left...begin to realise what kind of crap he is.
He usually moves the abuse much faster for #2 than #1. So his emotional abuse worked for the first year, and his intellectual abuse was kind of shaky, and it took him to year 5 to start the physical...with #2 he moves to physical in less than 3 years...
And this often leads to the kind of take him for all he‘s worth divorce.
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| kaylar wrote: | We always blame ourselves. The big healing bonanza comes when ;
after you divorce him and he marries #2 a little after she divorces him gets a restraining order and the five kids he has with her don‘t want to see him in life or death
99.999% of all wives are not at fault; this is because women try to make the marriage work. Women put their lives on hold, women toss out their dreams and careers, and try.
Women put up with ... and many times are forced into situations.
When the abused woman finally grows a backbone, or he decides he wants to replace her with this year‘s model, she keeps feeling ‘if‘
The point is this; and I say this with over a quarter century‘s worth of experience; the moment the woman stops blaming herself and starts looking at the truth...as if she were watching the marriage on TV.... the healing moves at lightspeed.
An abuser needs a victim. That‘s all.
So he starts with wife #1. Runs through his repetoire until she leaves. Then he takes his experience to wife #2. Now he‘s so much better at abuse PLUS he has the...."Please don‘t hurt me the way that bitch #1 did..." so he gets #2 in the inferior position virtually from the ‘I Do‘.
The thing with #2 is that over time she will, unless totally mind dead, begin to appreciate why #1 left...begin to realise what kind of crap he is.
He usually moves the abuse much faster for #2 than #1. So his emotional abuse worked for the first year, and his intellectual abuse was kind of shaky, and it took him to year 5 to start the physical...with #2 he moves to physical in less than 3 years...
And this often leads to the kind of take him for all he‘s worth divorce.
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I am wife #2. I am the one with the restraining order and to be exact...5 kids.
He was married to wife #1 for less than a year. She didn‘t take his crap apparently. He did tell me that she had cheated on him and that she had left him for another man. I recently met her sister. It turns out DLB treated her and her daughter like he did me early on. With me he had to wait awhile before his true colors came out.
He had also mentioned that he had gotten fired from his job as a corporate trainer for fratinizing with an employee. The story that he told me was that her husband had been with them, they went out to play some pool and that he went home.
According to the ex, this was not true. He had moved down to SD ahead of her...and had cheated on her with the employee that got him fired from his job. Later I END UP PAYING FOR HIS CAR that got repoed because he lost his job because he was screwing an employee.
My husband‘s sister on our wedding day threatened me telling me that I had better not hurt her brother the way that his ex did. I was really taken aback. Yet, while I was thinking of divorcing him, I had to call her to tell her I was sorry, that I couldn‘t take his treatment of me anymore.
What the sister-in-law said shocked me. She said that his tantrums, the screaming yelling, name calling was exactly what her father used to do in their household. That her mother frequently had to pack up all the kids and leave the house. She told me that she did not blame me. She said to leave, because she had been there. Now, since the divorce is really happening NONE of his family contact me. I feel betrayed by all of them.
He stopped at getting physical. In the beginning he came at me with fists clenched and made me jump back. I told him upfront that if he hit me I would divorce him. He later found a way to use THAT against me. Instead he would throw things at me and call me a bitch. He instead learned to be the best emotional abuser in the world.
I do feel with the next one he will not be able to hold on to the nice persona for very long. I also think the next one will unwittingly get hit. That is what he truly wants to do, he just needs to find someone willing.
I am sick of thinking "if". IF nothing. He is what he is and I can‘t change that. God wants me to change the fact that I feel low enough about myself and my kids to put up with that.
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