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Drew J
  Posted: 1/14/2010 12:41 AM Subject: Experiment
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Since contraception doesn‘t always work and since, depending on the situation, the man or the woman can‘t be trusted, I logically concluded long ago the best way to do it is to pull out and climax in the condom. Or at least (after she learned about your body as you learned about her) have her help you finish with her own hands. Like say in a hot, steamy shower. Oh and no climaxing in her mouth. As Sam Kinison said, it‘s incredibly rude. I never could do that to my girl. I‘d never be able to kiss her again even after huge amounts of brushing, flossing and mouth rinsing. Plus swallowing semen is in fact bad for your health. I‘d want a quality girl to stick around and be healthy. THAT is how you have fun and avoid babies.

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After both partners get off and relax and say fall asleep in each others arms, that‘s a plus after having a fun time. You‘d still get to snooze next to your ever so gorgeous mate even when you, as a man, take the above recommended steps. I don‘t know how many men think of this. Probably too profane. "Uh, gotta get off inside her and no other way." Really? If there‘s a chance she can get pregnant and doesn‘t want to be?

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If guys do use condoms and then they do work, I fully recommend what Tom Leykis and a couple of his listeners called in and suggested. Put horsey sauce or tobasco sauce in the condom to kill the sperm and also burn her vagina incase she tries to take it from the garbage and put it in her and go, "oops!"



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  Posted: 1/14/2010 10:00 AM Subject: Experiment
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Drew J wrote:

Since contraception doesn‘t always work and since, depending on the situation, the man or the woman can‘t be trusted, I logically concluded long ago the best way to do it is to pull out and climax in the condom. Or at least (after she learned about your body as you learned about her) have her help you finish with her own hands. Like say in a hot, steamy shower. Oh and no climaxing in her mouth. As Sam Kinison said, it‘s incredibly rude. I never could do that to my girl. I‘d never be able to kiss her again even after huge amounts of brushing, flossing and mouth rinsing. Plus swallowing semen is in fact bad for your health. I‘d want a quality girl to stick around and be healthy. THAT is how you have fun and avoid babies.

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After both partners get off and relax and say fall asleep in each others arms, that‘s a plus after having a fun time. You‘d still get to snooze next to your ever so gorgeous mate even when you, as a man, take the above recommended steps. I don‘t know how many men think of this. Probably too profane. "Uh, gotta get off inside her and no other way." Really? If there‘s a chance she can get pregnant and doesn‘t want to be?

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If guys do use condoms and then they do work, I fully recommend what Tom Leykis and a couple of his listeners called in and suggested. Put horsey sauce or tobasco sauce in the condom to kill the sperm and also burn her vagina incase she tries to take it from the garbage and put it in her and go, "oops!"



Your a FUCKING PIG and I‘m not even going to dignify that post with any other reply!!


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  Posted: 1/14/2010 10:32 AM Subject: Experiment
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So now I‘m a pig for demanding that men take responsibility for their own sperm and make sure they don‘t get a girl pregnant?

Oh I get it. You think I‘m a pig because I want men to protect themselves from tricky women who only want a baby and don‘t care about not having a father figure in the kid‘s life simply because they hear their biological clock tick.
I guess that means you condone women tricking men and sneaking into the bathroom to retrive their condom and make themselves pregnant. I guess I have flushed out another woman on this board with double standards who plays on team vagina.

However if I"m wrong and you DO object to such female trickery, then what are you getting your knickers in a knot for?


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Drew J wrote:
So now I‘m a pig for demanding that men take responsibility for their own sperm and make sure they don‘t get a girl pregnant?

Oh I get it. You think I‘m a pig because I want men to protect themselves from tricky women who only want a baby and don‘t care about not having a father figure in the kid‘s life simply because they hear their biological clock tick.
I guess that means you condone women tricking men and sneaking into the bathroom to retrive their condom and make themselves pregnant. I guess I have flushed out another woman on this board with double standards who plays on team vagina.

However if I"m wrong and you DO object to such female trickery, then what are you getting your knickers in a knot for?


I have NO tolerance for women who trick any man into a pregnancy...what I found offensive was your very detailed description of getting off in a woman‘s mouth. Or the fact that any man would put "hot sauce in a rubber"...

I guess since I am NOT devious, I would never think to take a used rubber and shove it up my cooter to get preggers and trick some guy....if you think sick thoughts like that then you are sick......



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  Posted: 1/14/2010 7:55 PM Subject: Experiment
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"what I found offensive was your very detailed description of getting off in a woman‘s mouth."

I guess you missed the part where I said it was rude and never should be done. You really can‘t see the forest for the trees can you? Quit making mountains out of molehills. Pay attention for cryin out loud.

Second of all, remaining in denial that women would do such a thing is absurd. That would be like me saying men never cheat or abuse anyone. It has happened. Deal with it.


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  Posted: 1/15/2010 1:11 AM Subject: Experiment
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Drew J wrote:
"what I found offensive was your very detailed description of getting off in a woman‘s mouth."

I guess you missed the part where I said it was rude and never should be done. You really can‘t see the forest for the trees can you? Quit making mountains out of molehills. Pay attention for cryin out loud.

Second of all, remaining in denial that women would do such a thing is absurd. That would be like me saying men never cheat or abuse anyone. It has happened. Deal with it.


Oh I know it happens asshole...it happened to my kid twice....in fact if you really want to know the truth, I believe ALL 5 of my grankids were "accidents". So yes, I know how some women can be....I‘m just saying I‘m NOT one of them. I don‘t think like that, and I‘m sure most other women don‘t either.....

I think you have had a few little girly friends that have hurt your wittle feewings and now you think all women are sneaky, cheating, trapping byatchs.

Sorry to burst your bubble....but duh.....NOT TRUE!!

Oh, and I bet your pristine current "lady" is truly grateful that you don‘t want to get off in her mouth....but hey...make sure YOU dispose of your rubber....you never can trust anyone...she may "accidentally" shove it up her cooter just to spite you....hahahahaha.

Grow the **** up!!



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  Posted: 1/15/2010 7:14 AM Subject: Experiment
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"Oh I know it happens asshole...it happened to my kid twice....in fact if you really want to know the truth, I believe ALL 5 of my grankids were "accidents". So yes, I know how some women can be....I‘m just saying I‘m NOT one of them. I don‘t think like that, and I‘m sure most other women don‘t either....."

I‘m still looking for the part where I said you were like that. Because I didn‘t so you don‘t need to act offended. Especially when you say that you think your daughters and or daughters in law caused accidents. So why you should get upset at me pointing something out you suspect happened in your own family is ****ing stupid.

 

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I think you have had a few little girly friends that have hurt your wittle feewings and now you think all women are sneaky, cheating, trapping byatchs.Sorry to burst your bubble....but duh.....NOT TRUE!!"

Doesn‘t matter. The law allows them to act that way. Since the law is against men in that respect, they have to take matters into their own hands to protect themselves. Such as the horsey sauce or tobasco sauce in the condom. If you object to that, then you condone female accidents. If you don‘t condone female ‘accidents‘ then you can‘t get upset at men for defending themselves. Please resolve the contradictions and cognitive dissonance within you before you proceed to lecture me on logical issues.

 

 

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Oh, and I bet your pristine current "lady" is truly grateful that you don‘t want to get off in her mouth....but hey...make sure YOU dispose of your rubber....you never can trust anyone...she may "accidentally" shove it up her cooter just to spite you....hahahahaha.Grow the **** up!"


Now you‘re telling me that I‘m stupid and should take care of the condom myself and be repsonsible for my own sperm, as if I had never had such a brilliant idea. Problem is, that was the whole ****ing theme of my post. I don‘t need to grow up since I believe in truly assuming your male reponsibility when it comes to sex and conceiving kids. You on the other hand need to WAKE UP and read my posts carefully again before you attack straw men.

You may not know this, but I kind of like to know I can trust a woman. Trust isn‘t blindly given out. It is ****ing earned. You as a woman should know that. Especially since there are recommendations on this site for PI‘s to check on cheating husbands. Is this another female double standard I have uncovered? Men most constantly have their fidelity checked but once a woman says I do, a man can‘t check up? If there is no double standard within you, then don‘t contradict yourself and get upset when men want to check their woman‘s honesty by dilluting the condom with spicy food condiments. That‘s one way of checking a woman‘s honesty. If she takes the bait, she‘s clearly a bitch and isnt‘ worthy of a good husband. If she doesn‘t, she‘s one of the few good ones. If you or other ladies on here would never do that to a guy, then clearly you would have nothing to fear, ergo you shouldn‘t care what he puts in the condom after since you‘re not supposed to be the type to go for it afterwards anyway.

See how easy that was? All you need is your thinking cap.



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  Posted: 1/15/2010 11:21 PM Subject: Experiment
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For me this is the problem with making abortion legal in a country.  It makes it too easy for a man to say "well it‘s her choice, so it‘s her problem".  Since the subject is so taboo, there is no real dialogue around the actuality of abortion.  There is all this talk about philosophy, should you? shouldn‘t you? bla bla bla.

No-one talks about the physical reality.  A fetus being literally ripped to shreds by an instrument that tears the child from a mother‘s womb.  Don‘t kid yourself about a bundle of cells.  A resident at a hospital told me he watched a video once, and you could see the baby‘s little hand being ripped apart.  On ultrasound, you can see the baby opening its mouth in a silent scream as it is murdered.

But let‘s say none of that is true, as anyone who has had an experience with an abortion wants to believe.  I am struck by how often doing the "right" thing when you are young leads to the "wrong" thing when you are older.

Adoption agencies are flooded with women who can no longer have children. No-one told them (and the abortion clinic certainly will not tell you) that multiple abortions increase the likelyhood that you will NEVER carry a baby to term.  I have met women who had three, four abortions when they were younger, and the same women are complaining because now they‘re in their 30‘s, have a career, married to a great guy, want kids, and can‘t have them.  They say things like "man the waiting list to adopt is so looooong".  I wonder why.....maybe because of young girls like you were?

I know that medical care is very expensive in the states, and maybe that is why women choose abortion there.  But here, it is free.  So women have abortions even though their medical expenses would be covered throughout their entire pregnancies.  Like many things in Canada, they have just watched too much American television and fail to realize that circumstances are different over there.

In this country, the statistical majority of women having abortions are in a financial position to raise the child.  They just refuse to do so.  The myth of the barren womb producing life-sustaining fruit in this society is ridiculous and I for one think it needs to be stopped.

Men need to admit that they came from a woman.  A strong woman who went through hours of labour to bring you into the world. They need to show this process the respect it deserves, and stop convincing women to rip apart our bodies, telling us that our children are a mere nuissance, and downplaying the importance of mothers and motherhood.  Abortion has just caused a society full of hatred and disrespect, and provided another way for men to control women.  But choice?

I know of ten women who have had abortions.  Eight were forced into the procedure, one of them threatened with a beating if she didn‘t go to the clinic instead.  One was dragged in by her mother when she was 15 years old, crying, and they did the procedure anyway.  One had her best friend (who was interested in her boyfriend) tell her her boyfriend was cheating and she should get rid of the baby because he would never support her.  He was as much a victim as she was. Two of them came to Canada on "abortion vacations", an increasing trend.  People come here from a country where abortion is illegal to have their babies murdered, usually because the baby has comitted the horrible criminal act of being a female fetus.  But I suppose you would endorse that form of abortion.  The two who were not forced, one was a hooker and the other was on her sixth abortion.

60% of abortions in this country are repeat abortions.  Repeat, meaning third or greater.

The myth of the 16 year old rape victim we throw around to justify this is ridiculous, because 90% of rape victims do not have abortions.  Usually it is too late by the time they find out...understandably injuries and trauma can make it difficult to notice a missed period.  In addition, such a surgery can not be performed on someone who has been severely injured.  Some are eight months pregnant before they admit it to themselves and some feel that they deserve to be pregnant, because they must have done something to deserve being raped.  About 0.03% of abortions, at least in Canada, are performed on rape victims.

So honestly, I really don‘t buy the justifications people give for doing something like this.  And obviously neither do you.  You are speaking from a place of pain.  You are angry at all women because one woman made a choice to murder your child and hurt you, and you were excluded from that choice.  I have never met a male victim of abortion who did not feel this way, and start treating women like walking wombs.

And on this one point, I think you‘re damn right.  Either a man should have a choice as to whether or not a woman has an abortion, or he should have the choice to divorce himself from any responsibility to the child.  Frankly, I think he should have a choice regarding the abortion itself.  If a man is willing to raise a child for the rest of his life, then some woman shouldn‘t be able to complain about the three or so months of discomfort that will be taken out of hers.

Abortion is a cold, cruel way of denying your mistakes.  It is the worst kind of lie.  I know a lot of people seem to love the idea, but the reality is horrifying.  I wish more people were forced to look it right in the face, to meet the girls I have met, to see the crushed babies, and worst of all, the legislation.

In Canada, there is currently no legislation regarding abortion.   The fetus is not considered a human being until it takes it‘s first breath outside the womb.   Therefore, a person a) can not be legally charged for harming a fetus b) can murder their baby up until delivery, even while the child is coming up the birth canal. Oh how far we‘ve come.  It really makes me sick.

I guess what makes me the sickest is the fact that when I was eighteen, i decided I didn‘t want children.  I tried to have a tubal ligation and my doctor said I might want kids someday, so she refused to do it. Four other doctors refused to do it.  Then I got pregnant, and my doctor immediately told me to have an abortion.  I had my son, but I couldn‘t stop thinking: if I want to prevent myself from ever getting pregnant, it‘s not my body and it‘s not my choice.  But if I want to murder the result of the pregnancy, then it‘s my body, then it‘s my choice.

Why is it only my choice when it‘s someone else‘s life I am snuffing out, rather than my own ability to have children?

I don‘t regret my children, but Iwounldn‘t have regretted that choice, and I know it.



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  Posted: 3/2/2010 3:20 PM Subject: Experiment
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Ok...here goes....To Wire and African Guy....I couldn‘t even read all three pages of this drivel because at some point I just got disgusted and quit. I see that there has been some domestic violence in Wire‘s life...but African Guy??

For your knowledge, there has never been any case of domestic violence in my life.

In my opinion you are BOTH immature ASSHOLE‘S!! Grow up!! And what I don‘t understand is all the women on this site that are either a single mother NOW, or have been a single mother in the PAST leaving Rhiannon fighting this battle with these two jerks all on her own!! I find it very humerous that everybody here always has SOMETHING to say about trivial SHIT, but yet they see these two wimps trying to beat her ASS into the ground and NO ONE has one word to say in her defense?? WTF!!

Hm ? I was not trying to beat anyone here. certainly wire is not either. This was a civil conversation untill you started droping insults. Nobody is mandated to agree with all the rest, but you should at least keep it more quiet.

First off...I read that one of you feel that a man has NO contraception avenues....are you kidding me?? What the FUCK is a rubber then?? You mean you can‘t or have no idea how to put one on YOUR DICK?? And yes...it is YOUR DICK...not the woman‘s. I know they are not 100% effective...but at least it is a very good start. 

Well, if you have read my posts, you would know that men has less options. Which is a fact. and that is all.


How about you KISS MY FUCKING ASS?? Go back and read what your" little" minds/dicks have actually made you type here....grow a set of BALLS....make her an apology...and crawl back to wherever you came from. With the drivel that is spewing out of your mouth on a website that should comfort abused women....you should be ashamed of yourselves!!

Rhiannon chose to remain in the argument, when she could have just left to begin with.

I cannot apologize for speaking exactly my mind and what I believe to be true. If I am breaking any rules of posting in this site, feel free to report me to moderation. If not, I still stand for every single word of my posts. If I have posted incorrect info, or misguided opinion, feel free to quote them.



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