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Funny...you wrote this story as if your proud of it. I don‘t understand why?"

I did not write it. That is an old story from 2007 I believe. Check the link.

"I‘m glad I read it, it proves the point that unhealthy people tend to attract other unhealthy people."

Oh really? Why was the guy unhealthy exactly?

"She sounds like a silly girl, and she sounds nasty and needy...then again, so do you!"

Whatever you need to flatter yourself.
OH MY GOD DREW, YOU‘RE FLATTERING YOURSELF BY SAYING SHE‘S FLATTERING HERSELF WHEN SHE SAYS YOU NEED A WOMAN LIKE HER.
No I‘m illustrating a point that comments like this really are for just rhetorical value and nothing else; and they also smack of someone playing psychologist.

"I‘ve dated guys who‘ve played games...but I wouldn‘t bother playing them back...I‘ve just walked away, with a feeling of relief and a glad heart!"

You‘re gonna compare attempt at paternity fraud (which includes paying for a kid for 18 years that‘s not yours) to games lik lying about where you were or who you were out with and what you were doing with them. Brilliant!

"When she told you she was "pregnant" you should have told her you were sterile and then just walked out the door...like a true "nice guy". Instead you stayed for more sex and to humiliate the girl...you are just as much of an asshole as she is...you‘ve got nothing to be proud of here."

Um, she planned to humiliate this guy by ****ing someone else and putting him on the hook and then have him find out the nasty truth some time later when he realized the kid didn‘t look like him. You see this is why I have a problem with you and other women. You always rush to the side of the woman no matter how bad she is or what she was intending to do, you insist that she be let off instead of being given a taste of her own medicine to teach her a much needed lesson. I probably wouldn‘t have used her for sex as that is the other guy‘s freedom, but that ****ing bitch deserved to get pwnd because that‘s what she was planning to do to that guy. She violated the golden rule. Treat others the way you want to be treated. You use me, I just might use you back. Treat me with respect and be loyal, you will get loyalty and protection back from me. Fair?
Another reason why your argument about simply walking away and not humiliating the person smacks of female double standards because everytime you collect intelligence on a cheating partner-spouse and then expose him to many people and then, as a result, ridicule, you humiliate him in a way too. And yet I don‘t see you encouraging women not to give males who humiliate and use women a taste of what they deserve. I don‘t see you encouraging them to keep silent to spare his ego.

I‘m not "playing" psychologist...I am in fact a fully qualified psychotherapist!

I would call someone who uses people for sex "mentally unhealthy". This guy obviously takes pride in the fact that he has used this woman for sex and no other reason.

"You‘re gonna compare attempt at paternity fraud (which includes paying for a kid for 18 years that‘s not yours) to games lik lying about where you were or who you were out with and what you were doing with them. Brilliant!".....hmmm, no...how about a guy who lied about the fact that he had children? He told me they were his ex‘s from a previous relationship...turned out they WERE actually his....don‘t jump to conclusions, it will usually end up in you looking really foolish!

"Um, she planned to humiliate this guy by ****ing someone else and putting him on the hook and then have him find out the nasty truth some time later when he realized the kid didn‘t look like him. You see this is why I have a problem with you and other women. You always rush to the side of the woman no matter how bad she is or what she was intending to do, you insist that she be let off instead of being given a taste of her own medicine to teach her a much needed lesson. I probably wouldn‘t have used her for sex as that is the other guy‘s freedom, but that ****ing bitch deserved to get pwnd because that‘s what she was planning to do to that guy. She violated the golden rule. Treat others the way you want to be treated. You use me, I just might use you back. Treat me with respect and be loyal, you will get loyalty and protection back from me. Fair?
Another reason why your argument about simply walking away and not humiliating the person smacks of female double standards because everytime you collect intelligence on a cheating partner-spouse and then expose him to many people and then, as a result, ridicule, you humiliate him in a way too. And yet I don‘t see you encouraging women not to give males who humiliate and use women a taste of what they deserve. I don‘t see you encouraging them to keep silent to spare his ego. "

You know nothing about me!

1. I‘ve never been cheated on. I do however believe that cheating with in a relationship is a form of emotional abuse...it does untold emotional and psychological damage.

2. I‘ve never gone around "collecting information" on anyone...because I‘m too damn lazy! I did post my ex here because he abused me so badly it drove me to attempt suicide...I didn‘t want anyone else to go through it.

3. She violated the golden rule. Treat others the way you want to be treated....I agree, the guy then went and violated the same golden rule!! It makes him no better than her...

4. but that ****ing bitch deserved to get pwnd because that‘s what she was planning to do to that guy...To be honest, he just gave her an excuse to bitch and bad-mouth about him, if he‘d just walked away with his head held high it would have had more impact on her.

5. You see this is why I have a problem with you and other women...your aggressive language and vast generalisations make it abundantly obvious that your problems with me and other women go far beyond anything written here and most likely stem from your childhood....google "misogyny".

While I agree with you on all other points bubbly, on this one I can‘t.

He treated her in a disrespectful fashion as she did him, but not to as high of a degree as she did.

So he DID treat her the way he was treated.  I certainly would have provided the proof to her instead of beating around the bush about it.  But I don‘t think anyone here would totally deny someone a little well placed revenge now and then as long as it wasn‘t something that physically harmed anyone.

We all know the stories of revenge on this site and the "you go girl" that accompanied it in replies.  Nothing wrong with it.  What do you think the Rate-A-Guy is all about?

"I‘m not "playing" psychologist...I am in fact a fully qualified psychotherapist!"
Who plays on team vagina. Got it.

"I would call someone who uses people for sex "mentally unhealthy". This guy obviously takes pride in the fact that he has used this woman for sex and no other reason."
He never would have done this if she hadn‘t tried to **** him over in the first place. He was on otherwise good guy who decided to do what he did that one time just to teach her a lesson.

"hmmm, no...how about a guy who lied about the fact that he had children? He told me they were his ex‘s from a previous relationship...turned out they WERE actually his....don‘t jump to conclusions, it will usually end up in you looking really foolish!"
He lied about having kids? So what? That‘s not as bad as putting a man on the hook for a kid that‘s not his but he thinks he is. Once again, you make an unfair comparison.

"You know nothing about me!

1. I‘ve never been cheated on. I do however believe that cheating with in a relationship is a form of emotional abuse...it does untold emotional and psychological damage."
Never disagreed. But you can‘t compare a serial cheater to what this one guy does just this one time to this one girl to teach her a lesson. He‘s not a hound who uses women. You aren‘t comparing apples with apples. He wanted to be her man, but she was an immature, scheming bitch. If she was good to him, he would have been good to her. You are ignoring this fact.

"2. I‘ve never gone around "collecting information" on anyone...because I‘m too damn lazy! I did post my ex here because he abused me so badly it drove me to attempt suicide...I didn‘t want anyone else to go through it."
This is not about you. This is about you not comdeming women for collecting information on cheating spouses, then making it public and humiliating them, while you condemn this one guy for using a woman for sex just for this one time...but only because she was trying to **** him over. The more you make excuses for women who cheat and try to commit paternity fraud, saying they should just be left alone, indicates you do play team vagina.

"3. She violated the golden rule. Treat others the way you want to be treated....I agree, the guy then went and violated the same golden rule!! It makes him no better than her..."

IF ANYONE GAVE SOMEONE A REASON TO BADMOUTH THEM, IT WAS THIS DIRTY, SCHEMING WOMAN.
She broke that golden rule first so she had no right to expect it in return. In fact, the rule is treat others the way you want to be treated. Therefore this otherwise niceguy simply gave this girl what she deserved. You and I both know from reading the story that he only used her for sex and only used a woman for sex that one time only because she was trying to **** him over and that it‘s not his normal behavior pattern. That‘s why it was justified. She has no right to be expected to be treated nicely since she tried to **** him over and commit paternity fraud.

"4. but that ****ing bitch deserved to get pwnd because that‘s what she was planning to do to that guy...To be honest, he just gave her an excuse to bitch and bad-mouth about him, if he‘d just walked away with his head held high it would have had more impact on her."
This is so ridiculous, it doesn‘t even make any sense. If he hadn‘t have bothered to use her for sex, and just walked away, that would be no different than what he did to. Use her for sex a bit and then walk away. Once again, you play team vagina and defend this awful woman.

"5. You see this is why I have a problem with you and other women...your aggressive language"

What does ‘aggressive language‘ even mean? I‘m certainly not swearing. All I am doing is getting to my point and stating it as concise as can be. Your attempt to paint me as an abusive person doesn‘t really work therefore. Once again, you do the psychologist thing, instead of the philosopher thing. Which is deal with arguments and fairness and golden rules instead of dealing with attitudes and mind states.

"and vast generalisations"

About who? If you get offended when I call you out on running a protection racket for cheating women, too bad.

"make it abundantly obvious that your problems with me and other women go far beyond anything written here and most likely stem from your childhood....google "misogyny"."
Playing psychologist instead of dealing with the logical construction of arguments is not a substitute in philosophical disagreements. Speculating on mind states is not a refutation of the other side. My problem is with anyone who tries to make light of the fact of what cheaters do and then somehow try to justify leaving them alone and not exposing them and making them suffer the consequences of their actions. You say this woman could have suffered without having been used as a **** toy, but we have already been over how this guy was justified since this woman violated the golden rule. Therefore she had NO EXPECTATION of being treated nicely back either. Your failure to realize or accept this is why I have a philosophical/moral disagreement with you and other women.

Where did you see me defending her? I called the girl nasty silly and stupid...and by the sounds of it she is!! So how is that defending her? All I‘ve said is that he‘s just as bad as nasty as her...

Your language is aggressive all of those **** are swear words!...and you resort to trying to insult me...ach, thats just weak! You continue to make assumptions...you continue to take offence at what I‘m saying and assume I‘m saying it just to defend a woman...when its quite obvious from what I‘ve written that there isn‘t once where I‘ve tried to justify anything she did...read it again lovey!

Lying about having children was a big deal to me...I invested my trust and my love in this man.

And Mr. TB, nope don‘t agree at all with the revenge thing....tried it out myself and it does nothing but leave you feeling as low as the person your out to get....As my dear old Dad says "Give‘em enough rope and they‘ll hang themselves"...thats my motto and its been proven time and time again...just leave these nasty people to their own devices and sooner or later they‘ll **** it up all on their own!

If the guy in question had as I said just walked away with his head held high I guarantee (and I know, I‘m a woman who appreciates a good guy) that she‘d be left absolutely kicking herself for being such a stupid cow and would think twice before playing such dangerous games in the future...where as with what he did do...she‘d just be able to twist it around in her own mind and all she‘d think is "He was using me, what an asshole"....believe me, people like this don‘t like to blame themselves, they‘ll use any excuse to blame the other person..he gave her just such an excuse...s‘all I‘m saying!

To Miss Luvly.

I know what it takes to make a marriage work and I have seen it. I know the proper way to behave and I know how important communcation of your true feelings are for example. But I also know that despite being only 5.10, even shorter girls like the taller guys. I have also seen what women who have approached me in the past, REALLY like. Such as the story trueblue was talking about. I know that I‘d only be a token boyfriend simply because they don‘t want to be alone at the moment. Sorry, I‘m not an ornament.

However women have approached me and only wanted sex. I don‘t do booty calls or friends with benefits. The reason I was near them is because I was dragged along with some friends to some parties in the past that had people I didn‘t know. I know where some good women are but with the high rates of cheating on both sides, and given how even some nice women will turn on you and never tell you how they feel because they don‘t want to hurt my ego, LOL,
www.womansinfidelity.com
I figure it‘s useless. I don‘t have the time to find a needle in six haystacks. Hell, sometimes when I look at my own sex, I don‘t even know how you ladies can get married and trust men. Maybe because you think if they cheat, they stand to lose a lot in divorce court?

To bubblecropper.

You can give out token condemnations of this woman all you want, but it doesn‘t change the fact that you play on team vagina when you say she didn‘t deserve to be used like that. You say this guy should have just walked away and taken the higher road and she would have kicked herself. You‘re damn right. But only because she couldn‘t trick him and get pregnant by that sexy bad boy rock star while taking the good guy‘s money and making him think it was his kid. You‘re just pissed that there could be more men out there that don‘t trust women. I say too bad. If she didn‘t f__k him over, she would have f__ked somebody else over. That is a fact and you refuse to admit that. That is why I accuse you of playing on team vagina and picking the woman no matter what she does. If you didn‘t play on teams like that, perhaps I would withdraw my accusation about playing teams like that. That guy, by seeing this woman was a user, and then using her and waiting to trap her did other men who would have been too nice to doubt her fidelity a favour. She had a kid and now she can‘t pull that scam on anyone else. Single motherhood going to be a problem? Tough for her. She deserves it for what she tired to do. Lesson learned. Don‘t try to outfox a fox.

JUST FOR YOU DREW......muah!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj-98DN4EAI

Funny...you wrote this story as if your proud of it. I don‘t understand why?

I‘m glad I read it, it proves the point that unhealthy people tend to attract other unhealthy people.

She sounds like a silly girl, and she sounds nasty and needy...then again, so do you!

I‘ve dated guys who‘ve played games...but I wouldn‘t bother playing them back...I‘ve just walked away, with a feeling of relief and a glad heart!

When she told you she was "pregnant" you should have told her you were sterile and then just walked out the door...like a true "nice guy". Instead you stayed for more sex and to humiliate the girl...you are just as much of an asshole as she is...you‘ve got nothing to be proud of here.

This is my original post...where do I say she didn‘t deserve to be used like that? The more you write the more you prove me right...

Also Drew...I‘m not pissed that there are men who don‘t trust women and women who don‘t trust men...thats their issue!

All I‘m saying is the two people in the story are nasty selfish unhealthy people who unless they change their thinking, will probably never have happy loving relationships. And...as you don‘t see anything wrong with what the man did and seem so full of anger at women you‘ll probably be the same yourself...you do sound like a terribly miserable creature...full of nothing but hate and bitterness, and I feel a little sorry for you.

Looks like mister mysi has skulked away...

"Funny...you wrote this story as if your proud of it. I don‘t understand why?"

That paternity fraud story, or the story about how I had to turn down slutty chicks because I‘m not into that ****?

"I‘m glad I read it, it proves the point that unhealthy people tend to attract other unhealthy people."

Blame the victim. Hmmm. Maybe I should try that next time I hear about a good girl getting her ass beaten and blame her because she‘s supposedly unhealthy. Or it could be a case that she thought she‘d turn out alright being a loyal housewife but instead had no money and nowhere to run and her only crime was trying to be a good wife.

"She sounds like a silly girl, and she sounds nasty and needy...then again, so do you!"

Yeah I really am needy. That‘s why I have turned down chicks. LOL.

"I‘ve dated guys who‘ve played games...but I wouldn‘t bother playing them back...I‘ve just walked away, with a feeling of relief and a glad heart!"

Whereas that‘s what should be done to women instead of giving them a taste of their own medicine. You see, you can do that to guys with things like private investigators and then showing things to their wives and then exposing their adultery, or you can do nothing to warn the wife and walk away and be a silent partner in his crime. I guess you are saying you fit the latter category. Which would be contradictory were you to tell women on here to do the womanly thing and warn the cheated upon wives if their husbands strayed. That is the double standard I see in a lot of women that irritate me.

"When she told you she was "pregnant" you should have told her you were sterile and then just walked out the door...like a true "nice guy". Instead you stayed for more sex and to humiliate the girl...you are just as much of an asshole as she is...you‘ve got nothing to be proud of here."

Once again, this is not my paternity fraud story. It‘s someone else‘s that I posted. I even gave a link showing you the original source. I have stated now for the second time that is not me that got my ass out of a potential legal sling by being a ***** niceguy and blaming myself if my woman strayed and then foolishly thought I can stay, work it out and change her heart. LOL.

"This is my original post...where do I say she didn‘t deserve to be used like that?"

It might have been that time where you said that the guy should have just walked away without using her. What? You can‘t remember your own words now. Here they are again:

"When she told you she was "pregnant" you should have told her you were sterile and then just walked out the door...like a true "nice guy".

Guess you really are another bat**** crazy woman.

"All I‘m saying is the two people in the story are nasty selfish unhealthy people who unless they change their thinking, will probably never have happy loving relationships."

The guy wanted one and look what he got. She tried to commit paternity fraud on him. He wouldn‘t have used her if she didn‘t try and use him in the first place.

"And...as you don‘t see anything wrong with what the man did"

No, I don‘t. He gave her a taste of her own medicine. Since the rule is treat people they way you want to be treated, she had no right to expect to be treated nicely after he found out she tried to **** him over and cheated on him.

"and seem so full of anger at women"

More like sad that so many women like you exist who are so loony that they can‘t remember their own words, and who also play on team vagina and have double standards.

"you do sound like a terribly miserable creature...full of nothing but hate and bitterness, and I feel a little sorry for you."

Disappointed and dis-satisfied with a lot of practically mentally retarded slutty women with double standards...would be more accurate. Pity me all you want if that makes you superior. Yes, look down on me. Convince yourself you are better than me. You‘ll need all that ego stroking after I exposed your double standards and also your inability to remember your own words.

Uh huh...Ummm, sorry I can‘t see your point....I‘m trying, but I can‘t see it!

You obviously are choosing to read something into my original post that isn‘t actually there....

You know, I‘m sure underneath all that hating there is a guy who desperately wants to be in a nice healthy relationship with someone he loves...but thats never going to happen while you are so angry and paranoid...go buy a rubber doll and leave us girls on "team vagina" for the real men.

"Pity me all you want if that makes you superior. Yes, look down on me. Convince yourself you are better than me"

I see you took up my offer.

"You know, I‘m sure underneath all that hating there is a guy who desperately wants to be in a nice healthy relationship with someone he loves...but thats never going to happen while you are so angry and paranoid...go buy a rubber doll and leave us girls on "team vagina" for the real men."

Funny. I thought real men wanted to be in a nice healthy relationship.

First I hate women, then I don‘t. Can‘t seem to make up your mind can you? "Fear of women" makes little or no sense since I‘m a male and I can beat up a woman. If you would read earlier posts of mine, such as dealing with paternity fraud, high adultery rates and whorish women, and women with double standards and backwards ass philosophies (for example about how men have no right to get DNA tests to test their wife‘s fidelity, but women have the right to check up on their men with private investigators or computer or cell phone hacking technology), you‘ll see what I consider it a waste of my time. It‘s their lousy personalities that turn me off. She may be a looker and may like me, but when I crack that brain open, I don‘t like what I see.

Let‘s not also forget something else I pointed out earlier in some other thread - maybe it was this one. How at times, I am mystified at how women even pair up with men sometimes since I have seen a lot of bad male behavior and since women are always talking **** about men.

Again I‘ll refer back to the term "misogyny"....there isn‘t all that much difference between hating and fearing....its fear covered up with hate in your case.

So with your twisted logic you can only be afraid of something thats physically stronger than you??? Hmmmmm...explain arachnophobia then?

The other stuff was more of your generalising...I can‘t reply to it because it doesn‘t apply to me.