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TxCowboy
  Posted: 9/29/2007 7:25 AM Subject: Men‘s Double Standards
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TxCowboy wrote:
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patygirl wrote:

first of all he has openly admitted he is bi sexual having cyper sex with men..(which should be a smack in the face when you think about it)......he is not a keeper..my freind..unless you want drama in your life..some people like it.



In my observations, being a gay man, I have seen in 99% of the men I know who proclaim to be "only" bisexual, that it is the door step to being gay.  Cyber, or whatever, it is just a matter of time until he actually commits the personal act.  He probably already has or he wouldn‘t think himself to be bisexual.  Cam to cam and word to word is NOT an indicator of bisexuality.  He has to actually experience the act with another man to know the "feelings" of being bisexual.  Believe me when I say that he has been with another man physically.  Cam to cam and word to word in chat are fantasies.  They are as harming to you, not him, as if he had actually done the deed.  It is cheating.

There are adult bookstores that cater to clandestine sexual encounters with other men.  They have arcades with booths that they drop money or tokens into, watch a porn movie, and can have anonymous sex with another guy.  I wrote about it in another thread.  Can‘t remember which one.

Hate to be the bearer of bad words, but, you can bet he HAS done the deed with another guy or he wouldn‘t feel he is bisexual.  The need is to great to not to want to at least try it.

Hope this was clear.  Typed in haste and I can try and clarify if need be.



Good Morning Texas Sexy!

Here‘s my question to you -

If a man proclaims that he‘s bi-sexual, is it because he‘s only half way out of the closet and is afraid to admit that he is, in fact, a homosexual?  

Surely in this day and age nobody believes that there‘s still a social stigma attached to being gay...



BTW, I have been meaning to say that I sure like the pic on your avatar!  Reminds me of someone I know, though.  She is a very good looking woman!

And, yes, I do believe that bisexuality is a transition.  A guy just hasn‘t kicked that door down and said he is gay.

There is still some stigma about being gay, though.  How many of you know guys who love to see two women together and think that is perfectly normal, but, on the other hand, they think two guys together is not normal?

A guy I used to work with always wanted to see his wife with another woman.  Well, it finally happened.  The wife like the other woman so much, she sent his ass packing!  LOL!  After the divorce, he was curious of me.  Kept saying he was bisexual.  Well, after several years of this bisexual nonsense since I was the only guy he would play with, he decided that he was gay and wanted to play with other men.  I sent him on his way.  Now, he does drag shows at a club in Dallas.  Who woulda thought?

Bisexuality, to me, is just a step away from being gay.  That is, for me.  I don‘t know any bisexual women, though, so I can‘t speak from experience there.  What do you think about bisexual women?  Any thoughts out there.

Maybe I should have started a different thread on this.  Don‘t want to take away/hijack this thread from the original poster.  And, it might make an interesting thread.

Meant to add to the other post I made.  If you ladies ever find a brass token, kinda like game tokens your kids get at Chuck E. Cheese, in your husbands pockets or seeing them laying on a dresser or hidden in the glove box.  He has been to an Adult Book Store and gotten his jollies.  That is a sure sign of his playing.  They don‘t go there just to watch the porn movie.



hey TX...

Good info ..

I never knew that and you mean that if a man likes seeing 2 women together can mean something beside a turnon.  Or its the fact that a man would consider his wife with another woman to open up his curiosity. 



I guess what I am saying is that men think two men together is abnormal, but two women together is normal.  Sounds like a double standard to me.  I don‘t understand how watching two women play together can be a turn on while watching two men together is not a turn on.  If he so open minded to the idea that two women can have sex together, then why the closed mind that men can have sex together?  Why is one normal to him and the other isn‘t?

I think I will start a new thread on this so we don‘t take from HillCountryDweller, a fellow Texan.  She needs our help with our her problem and I don‘t want this new topic to take from her needs.



I guess..

never thought it about it that way..

I mean think of bachelor parties.  Isn‘t that the scene usually 2 women together or more.  Strip clubs have women touching each other.  I don‘t know, I do know at my bachelorette party there they got me a stripper (not my thing at all).  Some people like that some do not.  I had to be wasted to even deal but it was over then we moved on to a club.  But men do not do that.  They watch and then who knows what happens.  The thought makes me sick since I find out 13 years later my H cheated with his stripper and then with another at a another bachelor party but he knew her..she worked for him. 

This all makes me think.

 

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Most men think it is erotic for two women to play together and then participate.  How many of the women on here have had their mate ask them to participate in a 3 way with another woman?  Chances are, there are many.  but, if you had asked him to participate in a 3 way with another man, he would have gone ballistic!  It ain‘t right for two men to play together is probably what he would say.  But, he would think it is OK for two women to play together and him participate after watching the two women for a while.

Daouble standard!  :)




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very true but thats just the way it is.  I do not have a male brain to understand why you(a man) would want his wife or gf shared with anyone else at all male or female.  This is where being intimate is nonexistent.  Many women have no idea what being intimate is all about because they have a H or BF who is all about stimulation to other things.  Its truly sad..

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Ladysheikmoon wrote:
very true but thats just the way it is.  I do not have a male brain to understand why you(a man) would want his wife or gf shared with anyone else at all male or female.  This is where being intimate is nonexistent.  Many women have no idea what being intimate is all about because they have a H or BF who is all about stimulation to other things.  Its truly sad..


You are very right about men and stimulation.  Let me clear on something.  I do not condone "sharing a significant other" in any way shape or form.  It ain‘t my thing.  I am referring to those other who do.  I am a monogamous person.  I am with who I am with.  (Right now, that ain‘t anybody!  LOL!)  But, I have been asked to participate with guys who want to play with someone else in the bed with them.  I won‘t do it.  I don‘t want that in any relationship I might have.  It‘s either me or nothing.  And, if it is nothing, then so be it.  If they truly love me, then they don‘t need someone else to "spice it up".  I am spice enough.  LOL!


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I can‘t even hug my own mother without the old man whipping out a camera...



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“In my observations, being a gay man, I have seen in 99% of the men I know who proclaim to be "only" bisexual, that it is the door step to being gay”

 

I find that interesting.  I never thought of that.  I am going to ask my brother (who is gay) if he agrees with that.

 

Regarding the woman/woman, I agree that most men think it is erotic.  We all joke about how it is every man’s fantasy.  I have never had anyone I was involved with ask me to do a three-some.  Do you think if it actually came down to that, the men would go for it or is it just a fantasy that they really do not want to play out?



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CaliforniaGirl wrote:

“In my observations, being a gay man, I have seen in 99% of the men I know who proclaim to be "only" bisexual, that it is the door step to being gay”

 

I find that interesting.  I never thought of that.  I am going to ask my brother (who is gay) if he agrees with that.

 

Regarding the woman/woman, I agree that most men think it is erotic.  We all joke about how it is every man’s fantasy.  I have never had anyone I was involved with ask me to do a three-some.  Do you think if it actually came down to that, the men would go for it or is it just a fantasy that they really do not want to play out?



As I posted previously, a guy I worked with kept hounding his wife to play with another while he watched and then would participate.  She finally did it.  She thought the woman was more passionate than him and she went with the woman and sent his ass packing.  I told him it served him right!  Then, he started playing with me after they divorced, but, according to him, it was just curiosity of being with a guy and to see what it was like.  Then he proclaimed to be bisexual and that women were his preference, but then, he was hardly ever with a woman.  He was with me more than anyone which was 5 nights out of 7.  Then he decided that he liked men more and decided he is gay.  Now, he does drag shows in Dallas.  Talk about an evolution!  Darwin would have a field day with this guy.  I don‘t keep in touch with him.  I only hear about him from other people who know him and know me.

let me know your brother‘s thoughts on this.  It would be interesting what another gay guy thinks of bisexual men.



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Yes, Cowboy, I read that story about your friend.  But is he the minority or do you think most men would really want to live out the fantasy?  Perhaps all the women here who are dating/married should ask their boyfriend/husband if they would actually have a 3 way if the opportunity arose.  I would be interested in knowing how many would or would not.

 

I will let you know what my brother says.

 

This is a very interesting topic.



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TxCowboy wrote:
CaliforniaGirl wrote:

“In my observations, being a gay man, I have seen in 99% of the men I know who proclaim to be "only" bisexual, that it is the door step to being gay”

 

I find that interesting.  I never thought of that.  I am going to ask my brother (who is gay) if he agrees with that.

 

Regarding the woman/woman, I agree that most men think it is erotic.  We all joke about how it is every man’s fantasy.  I have never had anyone I was involved with ask me to do a three-some.  Do you think if it actually came down to that, the men would go for it or is it just a fantasy that they really do not want to play out?



As I posted previously, a guy I worked with kept hounding his wife to play with another while he watched and then would participate.  She finally did it.  She thought the woman was more passionate than him and she went with the woman and sent his ass packing.  I told him it served him right!  Then, he started playing with me after they divorced, but, according to him, it was just curiosity of being with a guy and to see what it was like.  Then he proclaimed to be bisexual and that women were his preference, but then, he was hardly ever with a woman.  He was with me more than anyone which was 5 nights out of 7.  Then he decided that he liked men more and decided he is gay.  Now, he does drag shows in Dallas.  Talk about an evolution!  Darwin would have a field day with this guy.  I don‘t keep in touch with him.  I only hear about him from other people who know him and know me.

let me know your brother‘s thoughts on this.  It would be interesting what another gay guy thinks of bisexual men.



Yourself being gay...would you say there are more Bi men out there than women would imagine?

I ask because I suspected an ex bf of being bi.

I never really knew for sure....I just "felt it."

Also,do you think a lot of womanizers are bi?

 



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TxCowboy wrote:
Ladysheikmoon wrote:
very true but thats just the way it is.  I do not have a male brain to understand why you(a man) would want his wife or gf shared with anyone else at all male or female.  This is where being intimate is nonexistent.  Many women have no idea what being intimate is all about because they have a H or BF who is all about stimulation to other things.  Its truly sad..


You are very right about men and stimulation.  Let me clear on something.  I do not condone "sharing a significant other" in any way shape or form.  It ain‘t my thing.  I am referring to those other who do.  I am a monogamous person.  I am with who I am with.  (Right now, that ain‘t anybody!  LOL!)  But, I have been asked to participate with guys who want to play with someone else in the bed with them.  I won‘t do it.  I don‘t want that in any relationship I might have.  It‘s either me or nothing.  And, if it is nothing, then so be it.  If they truly love me, then they don‘t need someone else to "spice it up".  I am spice enough.  LOL!


I wasn‘t referrring to you..sorry.  I was saying men in general.  You have morals and do not let your thoughts get the best of you like some.  My H was/is very jealous.  Not in an abusive way but never would want me shared.  Now if the opportunity comes his way for himself to have a 3 way without me ..he prob would go for it esp if it was the past.  I know that is a fantasy becuz I saw what he looked at on the comp.  Granted this was 2 years ago but I know (instinct). 

About being bi..no that isn‘t him.  I know of other men that like that thing with women also.  Then really how well do we know anyone? I thought I knew him for years but I didn‘t know him..not the least bit.  I think you have a great argument in this.  Why if men like to see 2 women why not 2 men...PRIDE or embarrassment or fucked up thought processes..

 



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Hi Cowboy, I posed you comment to by brother:  “In my observations, being a gay man, I have seen in 99% of the men I know who proclaim to be "only" bisexual, that it is the door step to being gay”

 

His reply was:  I don‘t actually know any men who claim they are only bi but I disagree with the statement.”

 

I asked him why.

 

To be continued . . .



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CaliforniaGirl wrote:

Hi Cowboy, I posed you comment to by brother:  “In my observations, being a gay man, I have seen in 99% of the men I know who proclaim to be "only" bisexual, that it is the door step to being gay”

 

His reply was:  I don‘t actually know any men who claim they are only bi but I disagree with the statement.”

 

I asked him why.

 

To be continued . . .



All right, Miss Suspense!  LOL!

I am curious about his thoughts, too.  It is OK to have different ideas about the subject.  And, a healthy difference is good.  Makes it that much more mysterious.  :)



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CaliforniaGirl wrote:

“In my observations, being a gay man, I have seen in 99% of the men I know who proclaim to be "only" bisexual, that it is the door step to being gay”

 

I find that interesting.  I never thought of that.  I am going to ask my brother (who is gay) if he agrees with that.

 

Regarding the woman/woman, I agree that most men think it is erotic.  We all joke about how it is every man’s fantasy.  I have never had anyone I was involved with ask me to do a three-some.  Do you think if it actually came down to that, the men would go for it or is it just a fantasy that they really do not want to play out?



I had one bf hint continuously for over a year about the woman/woman thing.  Finally I talked to a bi-friend, who joked often to me in his presence that "if you ever decide to go that way, put my name first on the list lol",  and we set his butt up. 

I had her show up one night out of the blue, and I informed him that I would do what ever he wanted to made him happy.  It took him all of a split second to say NO-WAY.

My girlfriend had a hell of a time that night teasing him.  She kept telling him over and over again he was just afraid she would steal me from him hahahaa.

It was a hoot, and yes I knew there was a possibility that he would say OH YEA!  I‘d already told her I didn‘t believe push-come-to-shove he would... but I did tell her just in case that it wasn‘t gonna happen.



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Thanks for the story OW.  That is what exactly I was asking.  If it really came down to it, would they?

 

Cowboy, still waiting for my brother to reply to the why question.  I may have to actually pick up the phone call him!  I’m not sure how often he checks his e-mail.



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Cowboy, here is my brother’s answer to the “why” question.

 

“If you enjoy sexual relations with both sexes, why would you limit yourself to one?

 

    Most gay men I know have no desire to have sex  with a woman.


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TxCowboy wrote:
Ladysheikmoon wrote:
very true but thats just the way it is.  I do not have a male brain to understand why you(a man) would want his wife or gf shared with anyone else at all male or female.  This is where being intimate is nonexistent.  Many women have no idea what being intimate is all about because they have a H or BF who is all about stimulation to other things.  Its truly sad..


You are very right about men and stimulation.  Let me clear on something.  I do not condone "sharing a significant other" in any way shape or form.  It ain‘t my thing.  I am referring to those other who do.  I am a monogamous person.  I am with who I am with.  (Right now, that ain‘t anybody!  LOL!)  But, I have been asked to participate with guys who want to play with someone else in the bed with them.  I won‘t do it.  I don‘t want that in any relationship I might have.  It‘s either me or nothing.  And, if it is nothing, then so be it.  If they truly love me, then they don‘t need someone else to "spice it up".  I am spice enough.  LOL!


 

 

i always think if a man wants another man and his wife to "play" together its because he really wants another man and he can‘t bring himself to face it.

 



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As far as that goes, I did the man-woman-woman thing once (I‘m not bragging).  I felt pretty insecure with it for a while.  It wasn‘t really the 3-some I was after so much as seeing this exciting, new side of my gf. 

I would be okay with a man-man-woman scenario, but I‘m straight.  I can‘t help it.  I tried to ogle men with my female friends.  I tried playing around with anal stuff when nobody was around.  I didn‘t like it.

If I found men attractive in the least, I wouldn‘t have a problem with doing it.  But as things are, I‘m straight.

But I admit, sometimes I do wonder what the hell is so attractive in men.  I mean, Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp... I just don‘t see it.



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CaliforniaGirl wrote:

Cowboy, here is my brother’s answer to the “why” question.

 

“If you enjoy sexual relations with both sexes, why would you limit yourself to one?

 

    Most gay men I know have no desire to have sex  with a woman.


When a bi person does fall in love and settles down with just one partner, I‘d be curious to know which sex they are more often likely to choose - the same or opposite sex?

If there are statistics on that, (maybe there are, I‘m just too lazy to go and look)  perhaps that would give more insight  as to whether bisexuality is indeed a mask for outright homosexuality, or not.

 



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meandnotyou wrote:
CaliforniaGirl wrote:

Cowboy, here is my brother’s answer to the “why” question.

 

“If you enjoy sexual relations with both sexes, why would you limit yourself to one?

 

    Most gay men I know have no desire to have sex  with a woman.


When a bi person does fall in love and settles down with just one partner, I‘d be curious to know which sex they are more often likely to choose - the same or opposite sex?

If there are statistics on that, (maybe there are, I‘m just too lazy to go and look)  perhaps that would give more insight  as to whether bisexuality is indeed a mask for outright homosexuality, or not.

 



Everyone, I‘ll post soon.  I promise; however, as ME knows, I have an extremely full plate right now.  Can‘t talk about it, but might soon. 

Just because I haven‘t posted isn‘t because I don‘t care about all of you.  I really do.  You all are so wonderful and I do appreciate you so much.

Not in a good frame of mind right now. 

Talk to you later!  Love to you all!

 

Dale

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TxCowboy wrote:
meandnotyou wrote:
CaliforniaGirl wrote:

Cowboy, here is my brother’s answer to the “why” question.

 

“If you enjoy sexual relations with both sexes, why would you limit yourself to one?

 

    Most gay men I know have no desire to have sex  with a woman.


When a bi person does fall in love and settles down with just one partner, I‘d be curious to know which sex they are more often likely to choose - the same or opposite sex?

If there are statistics on that, (maybe there are, I‘m just too lazy to go and look)  perhaps that would give more insight  as to whether bisexuality is indeed a mask for outright homosexuality, or not.

 



Everyone, I‘ll post soon.  I promise; however, as ME knows, I have an extremely full plate right now.  Can‘t talk about it, but might soon. 

Just because I haven‘t posted isn‘t because I don‘t care about all of you.  I really do.  You all are so wonderful and I do appreciate you so much.

Not in a good frame of mind right now. 

Talk to you later!  Love to you all!

 

Dale

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Nah...I don‘t think two women together are normal at all.   It doesn‘t do anything for me...especially since I don‘t know what a woman feels when another woman is pleasuring her...so why would it really turn me on?

Now show me a woman givin‘ a BJ...and WOOHOO!!!



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