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Hello ladies,

I‘m Marek, new male member of this forum. For my first topic, I wanted to talk with you about what you call a sleezy website. Also known as... fastseduction.com.

First, let me tell you MY story. I‘m a 25-year old, good looking (but not a model) man from Belgium, Europe. And I am a virgin. Girls always see me as a... friend, an older brother, whatever.

I have a normal personality, I‘m not a geek. In a few months, I‘ll be graduating with a nice diploma, I‘ll have a good job. If you saw me walking in the street, it would never occur to you that I never had a decent relationship before in my life. It would never occur to you that I‘m still a virgin.

Being a virgin is not what this is all about. Being a virgin is not a frustration to me. Later on I‘ll proove why.

I‘ve had two "relationships" in the past. When I was 16, I dated a girl for a week, though soon it appeared she wasn‘t my type... at all. We didn‘t connect. She thought we did, I felt we didn‘t.

Six months ago, at the age of 24, I had a relationship for four days. Again, with a girl I felt I didn‘t have a emotional connection with. I could have sex with her, she wanted it very much, but I refused: it was too fast. Eventually we broke up.

So no: I‘m not eagerly trying to get laid. I‘m not a dog.

Still I‘m reading and practicing the advice and tips that are given on fastseduction.com and other seduction sites.

Why? Because I‘m fed up winding up as a "good friend", an "older brother", or anything a woman says to you when she is not attracted to you. I‘m tired of getting rejected all the time, while I‘m not a creep.

Ladies, do you even realise what it does to a decent man when he gets rejected all the time? Allthough he is not a loser, and he does have something to offer to that special girl, after years of rejection, he does end up feeling like a loser, feeling like he has nothing to offer, feeling that there is nothing special about him.

Then he meets women who use his undivided (and thus quite foolish) attention to take advantage of him. They like his attention, but they don‘t like him. Off course they don‘t tell him that, it‘s always nice having some fool around who is dumb enough to be her personal therapist. Yes, really, women càn be cruel! They really can! Man are not the only scumbags in this world. Emotional rape towards a man, committed by a women... it happens.

So there you have it: I‘m Marek, and girls generally never truly fall in love with me, and the only two that did, didn‘t have... class. Really, if a girl immediatly invites you in her apartment on the very first date, and starts to make love to you right there, clearly wanting to have sex... is that classy to you? Does she have style, you think? I didn‘t. It was a turn off.

Yup, ladies, there are men who are not dogs. There are men who want to be the prince of a woman‘s dreams. There are men who like women and like making them truly happy.

I‘m Marek, I‘m one of those men. Those are my qualities. I don‘t mean to blow my trumpet too much here, but I thought that having such qualities would get me a good woman to spend my life with fast enough. Boy, was I wrong. Somehow, women don‘t like that. Instead of meeting the girl of my dreams, I kept having bad to very bad experiences that eventually made me a cynic. Sad story, eh?

Anyway, one day, I was surfing around the internet - I had the time, it‘s not like I have a satisfying, truly loving relationship with a wonderful classy woman to spend it with. I bumped into this site: www.fastseduction.com

Being fed up never getting a relationship with a decent & classy women, I wanted to improve myself. I wanted to be able to talk to girls in a good way.

Why? To get laid as many times as I can? To break up good marriages? To get an ego boost from time to time?

Off course not. I want to learn to give women what they want. I want them to give me a fair chance to make them truly happy. I never got that fair chance before, even when I followed advice from female friends.

Have you ever seen "Hitch"? (http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/hitch/index.html)

Well, if you did and you listened well to what was said in that movie, then you understand why I‘m learning the 101 player guide from fastseduction.com.

In short, I‘m Marek, non-creep, average-to-good-looking, romantic 25-year old male. Girls like me, but they never fall in love with me. I want to chance that, because I know I have something to offer that can make them happy. That‘s why I recommend seduction courses, online or not, to any common man that is struggeling with the same problems I have. Because when there is no guile and no game... there is no girl.

Now you tell me: is that so wrong? Off course not, because common men, like us, are the real women savers. We just need original ways to show them that.

im not trying to be mean...by only two relationships with women?? lasting only days?? have you explored the possibility that you may be gay? ...NOT that theres anything wrong with that...

youll have to excuse me, but you spent considerable space blowing your own horn, and in my experience, good guys dont have to do that so much...

nothing personal, as i wouldnt know you if you came and hit me in the head with your pink purse...but perhaps you should spend less time talking about how great you are and more time working on the issues YOU have. im sorry, but your post gives me a picture of a some little, sniveling nerd who expects hot women to succumb to your every advance because you have a college degree...bleh. maybe your setting the bar a LITTLE too high.

Me?? GAY????

OMFG. Did you actually READ the whole story?? Did I mention a pink purse, brushed manners, or whatever the hell made you think that I‘m gay????

LOL LOL LOL.

Seriously: my story stated clear enough that I am sexually oriented to girls. So don‘t judge me based on your poor reading capabilities... or otherwise overtly mean behaviour. Off course, do not take this personally ;-)

Or maybe you were just shocked reading this kind of story the very first time in your 35-year old life. Maybe you didn‘t realise that there are normal guys who never had a decent relationship before. Maybe that‘s why you‘re one of the many women who have prejudices against online seduction lessons.

The fact that I just had two relationships in 25 years doesn‘t make me gay. The fact that I realise that I have a good diploma doesn‘t mean that I think my diploma should be a key to classy women.

Does it make me a loser then? I don‘t think so. You see, Fifi Larue, losers are people who stick in their bad situation and never try to chance it. For example, it doesn‘t make you a loser when you spontaneously think that al virgin males aged 25 are gay. However, you are when you keep thinking that, even after someone clearified it for ya.

I do try to chance my situation. So yeah, I‘m dealing with whatever issues I might have, instead of whining about them. With the help of seduction lessons. The only reason why I posted my story here, is to defend those sites.

You girls want men to be real men? You don‘t like "nice guys"? Then don‘t judge the sites who learn the nice guys to be real men.

Cheerz,

Marek

P.S.: and Fifi Larue, it‘s nice meeting you too :-)

i don‘t think she ment it as an attack.

It sure sounded like one, but I don‘t care. I just like the game of tennis ;-)

what kind of parents did you have? are they still together??

Yes they are. They have a conservative marriage, but they‘re open minded. We don‘t talk alot about relations "the children" have, though.

your interesting to say the least.

Who isn‘t? :-)

i wanna know a little more or are you specifically here to promote and defend that site? are you religious??

You can say I‘m religious (some christianity), but I‘m not practicing. Nor do many people know that I believe in God. It‘s just not something I talk about a lot.

About that site: first I read a poll "the sleeziest sites ever", and I saw that fastseduction.com was in the list. Second I hear a lot of women complain that men should be acting like real men, not nice wussies. Third, those same women denounce sites who teach those guys self-improvement. A little bit confusing, don‘t ya think? Anyway, fourth, my impression is that womensavers.com is mostly about dangers and bad luck that happen to women (hence the name). And I thought it wouldn‘t be a bad thing that someone showed you girls the other side of the story. So why do you think some guys follow seduction classes? It‘s because, in this Western 21st century, it‘s not easy for men either.

don‘t worry this isn‘t a come on, trust me i can already tell i‘m not your type

Yeah, you‘re not my type either. I knew that from the start. We can only be friends, thrust me :-)

what kind of girl are you looking for

Hard question after all these years... can‘t figure it out for myself anymore. Anything an attractive young female school teacher has, I guess: good looking, but not a model. Intelligent, but not a brainiac. Humourous, but no redneck jokes. Sexy, but not a sluth. And as for the more internal aspects: I really need to find that connection, you know?

The connection.... hmm... this is vague too. Let me explain: I think in each women, there are actually two women, really.

The first one is the culturally formed women: she knows what a "true lady" can and cannot do. How to behave, and how not to. She is confined by all the restrictions society‘s put on her. Etc.

Then, on the other hand, deeper inside her, there is that other women. The natural one. The one who has dreams and fantasies about amazing possibilities she could have one day. Or things she‘d do when no-one is watching her. Not even her best friends know about these thoughts.

By finding that connection, I mean that I want to be the guy who can find that natural women inside the women who sitting in front of me on a date. Or is passing me by when I walk around in a train station. It‘s like finding that one special button inside her and, by pressing it, opening the box. Not like Pandora‘s box, where you merely get flooded by every aspect of her personality. It‘s more like: when you press that button, you get the instant impression that allthough you will never find out every single fact there is to know about her, nevertheless, you know her by heart.

That is what I mean by finding that connection. Just to clear this up.

Shyness is the problem... seduction lessons are the solution.

So again: those sites are not sleezy :-)

gees....i seriously wonder WHY you have to take classes on the internet on how to seduce...you talk too much!

and who ever said i didnt like seduction sites? i dont even know what the hell you are talking about...i dont know anything about this site you speak of, nor do i care...

and, i really dont appreciate being called a loser..but whatever. i was a single mom who went back to college at 31 and just graduated last year and am going on to graduate school as soon as i can...so calling me a loser and assuming i dont take chances or know how to get out of bad situations is laughable..seems to me, you protest TOO  MUCH...if ya know what i mean...and you wonder why you cant meet chicks...hmmmm...

and, i have a nice guy, thank you. i dont think nice guys are wussies, nor do i think everyone in your situation is gay...i read your entire post which is a few minutes of my life i will never get back, unfortunately, and i asked if you were gay because you sound a little fruity, thats all.

perhaps you can take a little less time typing how great and nice you are, and spend some time in the real world...dating skills can only be learned from experience, not a website.

good luck to you!

Miss Larue, you DO need to read what I write :-)

I never called you a loser. I even think it‘s great that you accomplished all of this WHILE being a single mom.

These were my exact words:

It doesn‘t make you a loser when you spontaneously think that al virgin males aged 25 are gay. However, you are when you keep thinking that, even after someone clearified it for ya.

So you‘d only be a loser if you would persist on calling people like me gay, even after I told you my story. Off course you do not think that anymore, so, to me, you‘re not a loser

Short enough for you?

‘evening,

Marek

thank you for not calling me a loser...i suspect i will sleep very well tonight because of your clarificaton...

i dont come on here to bicker...i wish you all the best...i really do...i guess my only advice would be to ignore people putting down a website that you belong to...f-them. they dont pay your bills, or even know you, so let them say whatever they want. if this site you talk about is working for you and you like it, then go for it! have you ever tried those dating sites? like match dot com and the like? i have never tried them, but it could work for someone like you who has a hard time finding someone compatible. i dunno...just a suggestion..

i have been engaged 7 times and married twice now, and i can really understand the hell dating can be...its tough to find someone you can live the rest of your life with, or even the next couple weeks! you seriously need to try and go places that interest you so you can meet women that like the same things. i dunno what your hobbies are, but try exploring them further and join in if you see something in your community that offers groups or outings, etc.

lastly, ill mention your parents, who have obviously been together for many years...IF they have a good relationship based on trust, mutual love, and they appear to best friends with each other...then live by their example! theres nothing like learning life lessons from qualified older people! and who better to think of than dear old dad when saying "what would HE do in this situation?"

again, good luck. i apologize if i offended you...i can sometimes get frisky on the computer and i was just messing with you a little bit. hey! its how i roll! if i dont make fun of my friends, in a good way, than they think something is wrong with me! but i can take a joke, too, which is also why i can say ‘im sorry‘ to someone whom ive offended.

Here‘s what I don‘t get....

You say you want to find someone...but not just anyone.  Someone you believe you can have a decent and lasting relationship with.  But then in the next breath you want to study and learn about seduction...which is nothing more than projecting certain things with the sole purpose of getting laid.

It seems to me that if what you are looking for is the RIGHT woman you don‘t need to seduce her as much as honestly project who you are and what your principles and values are about.  THAT is what will attract the RIGHT woman for you.  Playing seduction games will only get you laid and has nothing to do with meeting the RIGHT woman.

So which is it?

@ Fifi Larue

none offence taken. I figured it out already you liked to mess with me a bit ;-)   Again: i like playing tennis ;-)

Well, you asked me about a site that denounces online seduction classes? Here it is: www.womansavers.com (direct link: polls: http://www.womansavers.com/p_pollresults.asp?pID=10 -> fastseduction.com is listed over there)

Dating sites? Been there, done that. Most women I met over there were... complex and issu-ish to say the least. So I gave up my account and don‘t ever go there again. Wouldn‘t recommend it either.

@TiredOfWomen

Well, let‘s put it this way: I want to find the one woman of my dreams, but before I got to know about seduction classes, I feared I would néver met her, because of my lack of skills when talking to women. No guile, no game -> no girl.

I know many men on these sites promote getting laid as many times as possible, but I figured that I should read whatever advice they‘ve got, but still use it according to my own rules.

Marek,

Don’t waste too much time on this website.  You won’t get any sympathy here.  This is a women’s website, and women will never under stand what it’s like to be a man.  Most women attract men by simply sitting there and looking pretty.  Guys come to them.  If they aren’t getting men, maybe they’ll change their hair or wear something more revealing.  Women don’t have to put much effect into getting men.  (Then the same women wonder why guys only want them for their body).

Now guys on the other hand, just sitting around, will NEVER get you women.  As a guy, the only way is to get out there and hit on every girl around.  I’m glad you’re finally realizing that.

I was in a similar situation like yours.  There are thousands, if not millions of guys in the same situation as us.  My friends and I all are AFCs (Average Frustrated Chumps).  One of my friends was lucky enough to meet his girlfriend in the volleyball league we play in.  Another meet his girlfriend at work.  But no such luck for me.  I did all the stuff my Mom raised me to be, in order to be attractive to women, such as having a Masters degree, having a solid job, owning my own place and car, staying active by long distance running, volleyball, and cooking, but still couldn’t a date more than once or twice a yearl.  But what I didn’t realize back then, is these traits are not what gets women.  There are two main ways to get girls, being attractive and playing a solid game.

1)      Being Attractive

I used to think I was a decent looking guy.  I tried the internet dating thing for awhile, but never got women to respond to my emails.  I tried all sorts of profiles and emails, but no success.  Then the reality check happened.  I put my picture up on www.hotornot.com, and found out I’m only rated as a 5 (out of 10).  For reference, 300 lb women are rated a 5.  Now, on the internet, I wasn’t going after supermodels, just average looking women who kept the weight off (I’m a running, so I’m not overweight either).  I tried an experiment.  I took a picture of a good looking guy from hotornot and pretended to be him.  Not only did women respond, they started sending me the first emails!  I really wished I was that good looking guy.  How much it has to be to get dates left and right, but that’s not me.  So know I know why the internet wasn’t working.  The internet is purely based on looks, even for websites like eHarmony.  So Marek, you might want to put your picture up on hotornot and see what your rating is.  At first I was sad, but now I’m glad to at least know I’m not attractive.  You have to know where you stand in order to improve yourself.

2)      Playing a Solid Game

Since I’m not gonna get girls based on my looks, the only way is to know how to correctly approach them, what to say, how to act, what stories to tell, …  So I’ve recently dived into the Seduction Community myself.  It was the best choice I’ve ever made.  I never realized how complicated and difficult picking up women is.  And how my entire lifestyle is not attractive to women.

Have you read the book “The Game”, by Neil Strauss?  This is the best book I’ve ever read.  Basically, about a  guy in my situation who learned how to play a solid game, slept with a bunch of women, then finally found a long term exclusive relationship, all thanks to the Seduction Community.  In The Game, there are many characters who still lived with their parents, had no jobs, made horrible friends, but still get girls left and right.  That is a very important lesson.  Being a ‘great guy’ doesn’t get you girls.  That is something to keep in mind.

‘They’ always say women have great intuition.  This is NOT true.  So don’t think just because you are a great guy, women will just know it.  It takes a lot of training to send out the signals women are looking for.

I’ve never been to fastseduction.com.  The two methods I’ve been practicing:

1)      Speed Seduction by Ross Jeffries

Using Hypnosis and NLP (NeuroLingistic Programming) to make women attracted to you.  Hypnosis is all about changing someone’s emotional state.  You want to make a women feel comfortable and connected with you, language is the key.  Men and women respond differently to different language.  If someone says ‘connection’ to me, I think of my internet connection on my computer.  ‘connection’ to a woman will probably mean feeling really close to someone.  Speed Seduction is all about helping men understand how the female brain works and how women process words differently.

A good example comes right from this website.  Fastseduction.com is listed a  sleazy website.  Awhile ago, a female posted an article on womansavers.com about ‘Charm School”.  Where guys spend 3 days learning how to approach and charm women.  Now, fastseduction and Charm School teach the exact same thing!  But they are called different names, so women look at them different.  (fastseduction was named so to attract men.  Calling it beingcharming.com probably won’t get too many hits from men.)

2)      The Mystery Method by Mystery

The basic theory is women are only attracted to men at a higher value than them.  When you first approach a women, you have no value, you are just like all other guys.  You increase your value by telling funny stories, doing routines such as palm reading, …  You decrease her value by neg’ing her.  A neg is a playful comment meant to lower her self esteem and value.  For example, “Those nails look nice, are they fake?”  “Yes”,  “Well, they still look good anyways.”  On the surface, you are saying something nice to her.  But you are subtly pointing out a flaw and making her self conscious, making her realize that maybe she isn’t as pretty as she thought.  Neg’ing is tough, because it goes against what our mothers taught us (such as being nice and complimenting women).  But guys who can throw out a few good negs can get women pretty easily.

Mystery is holding a seminar in my city next weekend.  But I can’t go because it’s Mother’s Day.  They’ll probably be back to Chicago in about 6 months and I’m looking forward to going.

Anyways Marek, I’m glad to see you’re part of the Community now.  Keep up the good work!  And don’t give up.  Meeting women is an extremely difficult task that is hard to master and requires years of hard work.

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