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Posted: 2/13/2010 6:12 AM |
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Stephanie, you know absolutely nothing about buddhism or the dharma, thats clear from the way you attack people on this board.
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Posted: 2/13/2010 11:46 AM |
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Bubble I am surprised at you. I haven‘t attacked anyone here.
My comments about the member called ‘Shally‘ were indirect and exceptionally mild!
Have you forgotten that back in Oct-Dec 2008 ‘Shally‘ behaved in an abominable manner with me. She was all smiles to my face, but behind my back she was sending hateful, gossipy PMs to everyone. I have this from a reliable source. In fact I have this from two reliable sources. Bubble you are a perceptive person, did you never wonder why Shally and I who used to be such good friends had this terrible and long-lasting fall-out?
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Posted: 2/13/2010 11:56 AM |
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I‘m only going to respond to you this once and then that‘s it.
You‘re a liar. Whatever I said in pm I said in a post to you.
You started attacking me because you did not like another forum I am posting at. Where I post is none of your business. I also think the world of a man named Chaos and that enraged you, again none of your business.
You started attacking me when I was going through the worst time in my life. My mom‘s heart attack. That site and those people you were attacking were there for me like none have ever been and I will never forget their kindness.
We were never friends nor will we ever be. I defended you to some because I pitied you. Never again. The end. Period.
Now go post all the ‘God‘ posts you want and say what you will of me. I just don‘t give a rats ass.
You are a bitter angry old man. And I‘ve been done with you for a very long time.
Carry on.
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Posted: 2/13/2010 12:56 PM |
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Shally I had stopped reading anything from you so I didn‘t know anything about your mother‘s heart attack until it was too late, and too much had been posted. I apologise for the pain my actions caused you.
I was saddened to read that you never considered me as a friend because I certainly liked you a lot at one time. That was why your ‘betrayal‘ hurt so much.
. . .With hindsight I should have behaved much better than I did. Even after finding out about your great dislike of me I should have apologised to you for starting all that business when I belatedly found out about your mother‘s serious medical condition. However, I was too upset to think clearly. My mind is clear now and I want to apologise unreservedly for inadvertently adding to your troubles at a very upsetting time.
My mother had her heart trouble back in March 2009 so I now know just how emotionally devastating a sudden serious illness/medical condition of a close family member can be.
Shally I am not surprised that you feel the way you do about me. I was so focussed on my own feelings, on how ‘I‘ was feeling that my behaviour at the time now appals me.
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Posted: 2/14/2010 4:35 AM |
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Shally, do not respond....I should have said nothing my apologies...this is what stephanie wanted to happen, just ignore it.
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Posted: 2/14/2010 5:31 PM |
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I don‘t get you people at all. I make a full and frank apology to Shally regarding my terrible behaviour in October/November 2008 and I get accused by Bubble of trying to provoke and yes once more ‘attack‘ Shally.
I really do not understand you people at all. What do you want from me? Nothing that I write is ever it seems to be taken at face value at Womansavers. My writing is always to be scrutinised for second and third meanings. You flatter me greatly if you think that I am capable of such subtlety. Perhaps it is my tone? Do I appear to write in a mocking or condescending manner?
The default position regarding me is always to question the genuineness and sincerity of my posts. My long-standing enemies here are absolutely determined to undermine my goodwill at every turn. They also are determined through posturing and brow-beating of others to portray me in the worst light possible.
To have such long-standing and highly determined enemies I must have greatly offended a number of people at Womansavers over the years?! The only person I can honestly say that I HAVE greatly offended is Shally.
I sometimes wonder, if, giving my peculiar personal circumstances I have been a great disappointment to certain influential Womansavers members. Momof4 once told me when I was defending a male poster that I ‘should pick a side -Female - and stick to it‘. Mom obviously meant that I should always defend the female version of things, even when a male member was making a calm and reasonable argument.
I have to tell you that I abhor blinkered thinking and lynch mob mentality. Adopting a ‘them-and-us‘ attitude is alien to me. So you will never get a blinkered, biased, and heavily partisan opinion from me.
I personally believe that both sexes have a generalised, inchoate dislike/distrust of the other. This feeling is vague and its intensity varies with the individual‘s mood and the situation they find themselves in.
Perhaps certain people here were first excited, then aggrieved and then enraged when I didn‘t tell them what they so desperately wanted to hear? Namely, that men are just as interested/fascinated with love/relationships/marriage/parenthood/babies as women are, only as is their ancient custom, men don‘t talk about these things. This was insensitive of me and I apologise for that. What I intended by writing about the above was to offer from my unique perspective, my views and opinions of the ideas attitudes, and mind-set of the cisgendered population . I am astonished now by my naivety. I blush at my lack of sophistication. One of the great secrets of life is that if we wish to be happy,we should not try to look to clearly into certain matters. And we should not try and reveal our truth to those whose greatest wish - despite words to the contrary - is to remain in the most delicious, the most comforting eternal ignorance.
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Posted: 2/15/2010 8:35 PM |
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Posted: 2/16/2010 3:57 AM |
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Yes..I see you deleted the bit I was telling shally to ignore...the little dig you had down at the end where you told her not to flatter herself by thinking that the GOD post was an attack at her.Your estimation in my eyes gets lower with each post.
YOU are a disgrace.
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Posted: 2/16/2010 7:04 AM |
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| StephanieG wrote: | I don‘t get you people at all. I make a full and frank apology to Shally regarding my terrible behaviour in October/November 2008 and I get accused by Bubble of trying to provoke and yes once more ‘attack‘ Shally.
I really do not understand you people at all. What do you want from me? Nothing that I write is ever it seems to be taken at face value at Womansavers. My writing is always to be scrutinised for second and third meanings. You flatter me greatly if you think that I am capable of such subtlety. Perhaps it is my tone? Do I appear to write in a mocking or condescending manner?
The default position regarding me is always to question the genuineness and sincerity of my posts. My long-standing enemies here are absolutely determined to undermine my goodwill at every turn. They also are determined through posturing and brow-beating of others to portray me in the worst light possible.
To have such long-standing and highly determined enemies I must have greatly offended a number of people at Womansavers over the years?! The only person I can honestly say that I HAVE greatly offended is Shally.
I sometimes wonder, if, giving my peculiar personal circumstances I have been a great disappointment to certain influential Womansavers members. Momof4 once told me when I was defending a male poster that I ‘should pick a side -Female - and stick to it‘. Mom obviously meant that I should always defend the female version of things, even when a male member was making a calm and reasonable argument.
I have to tell you that I abhor blinkered thinking and lynch mob mentality. Adopting a ‘them-and-us‘ attitude is alien to me. So you will never get a blinkered, biased, and heavily partisan opinion from me.
I personally believe that both sexes have a generalised, inchoate dislike/distrust of the other. This feeling is vague and its intensity varies with the individual‘s mood and the situation they find themselves in.
Perhaps certain people here were first excited, then aggrieved and then enraged when I didn‘t tell them what they so desperately wanted to hear? Namely, that men are just as interested/fascinated with love/relationships/marriage/parenthood/babies as women are, only as is their ancient custom, men don‘t talk about these things. This was insensitive of me and I apologise for that. What I intended by writing about the above was to offer from my unique perspective, my views and opinions of the ideas attitudes, and mind-set of the cisgendered population . I am astonished now by my naivety. I blush at my lack of sophistication. One of the great secrets of life is that if we wish to be happy,we should not try to look to clearly into certain matters. And we should not try and reveal our truth to those whose greatest wish - despite words to the contrary - is to remain in the most delicious, the most comforting eternal ignorance.
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Stephanie: I have no quarrel with you, per se. But I do think you enjoy stirring up controversy, and that you like to get a "reaction" out of people. Some of your comments are mean spirited, and when your passive/aggressive behavior is called to the light of day, you resort to apologies and say it was the wine or that you didn‘t mean it that way.
After one too many of these outbursts, you lose credibility when you apologize because people don‘t think you are sincere. If you were sincere, you wouldn‘t continue to do it.
I know, for example, that you are well aware that there are a fair number of Americans who hang out on this site. Yet, I see you post anti-American thread after anti-American thread. I think you do this because you enjoy pissing people off.
It‘s okay to disagree with people. It‘s okay to have your own opinions, and it‘s even okay to be wrong. You don‘t even have to like everyone. But taking potshots at people and making comments about their religious beliefs only creates enemies, and undermines your credibility.
We know your comments at Shally were personal, because you made it a point to use her name. That was completely unnecessary.
On the flip side, I think you‘re intelligent, and quite articulate. I think you should put it to good use.
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Posted: 2/16/2010 7:43 AM |
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Stephanie,
I know next to nothing about what happened between you and Shally - but I‘ll tell you this and you can ignore it if you wish.
We may all have our own system of beliefs, but that certainly doesn‘t mean we have a right to impose them on to other people. To me, it almost feels like you‘re on a campaign of anti-preaching. I don‘t believe - but I‘d never force this down anyone‘s throats and you certainly don‘t see me going on and on about it. If faith is what gets someone through the day, what right do you have to take that away from them? Have you considered the consequences of removing this pillar of strength from a person? Hmm?
In this sentiment, what right do you have to tell Bubble which religion to follow for herself and her child? Or anyone, for that matter? She was kind enough to express her opinion on the matter but she very well could‘ve not. Religion and faith is a highly personal affair, and not one that‘s always open to interpretation or criticism. In fact, even if you‘re invited to discuss (which you weren‘t), it‘s best to agree on differing opinions. Certainly not start thread after thread of what seems like zealous, rambling propaganda.
I don‘t think you‘re as naive as you say you are. I think you‘re well versed in the ways of conversing and you deliberately choose to let things slip.
I‘m sure you already know that you can‘t really post a topic with someone‘s name in its title, unless you know for a fact that you‘re close friends with that person. If you do that, you automatically, subconsciously, create association - and some people are a bit reluctant to have their username, or real name, so readily associated by someone who‘s not a close friend.
So please, stop this.
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Posted: 2/16/2010 5:14 PM |
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I was going to let Bubble‘s comment pass, but I can‘t. In Bubble‘s eyes I am damned because of a comment - which I didn‘t know got posted. I edit extensively as I write and that last sentence got shoved down to the bottom of the that particular post. That is why that post has a long blank area. I am also damned for removing it! With Bubble you cannot win. Bubble and others are determined to show me and my actions in the worst possible light.
As for the advice I have been given it translates in my mind as saying ‘don‘t write about anything that interests you, just write about dull, - because Shally won‘t tolerate anything non-Christian(and it has to be the right type of Christianity:Her brand of Christianity)! So no paganism and no Russian Orthodox stuff ok? Oh and no threads that don‘t glorify Shally‘s brand of extreme Republicanism. Hey, have you ever heard of Free Speech? I have the right to post what I like as long as it doesn‘t interfere with other people‘s free speech - insipid stuff in as bland and balanced a way as possible‘.
(1) I write about paganism etc because I am interested in the subject. And I think that others might become interested in it as well. NOT to antagonise Shally whatever she may have you believe.
(2) I post links to Russian Orthodox Music videos on Youtube because I am interested in R.O. music. And I think that others might become interested in it as well. NOT to antagonise Shally whatever she may have you believe.
(3) I post links to interesting medical videos/websites because I am interested in such things. And I think that others might become interested in it as well. NOT to antagonise Shally whatever she may have you believe.
I have bent over backwards to apology to Shally, but to no avail. Consider my terrible crime in her eyes, I unknowingly added to her emotional burden when she was experiencing great emotional pain. I stopped when I found out about her mother‘s health.
Shally is not the only one who was deeply hurt. I was betrayed by someone that I considered a friend. She however as she admits(see above) never was my friend. She was leading me on to reveal my inner self so that she all the wile could gossip about me and spread lies and half-truths to other members behind my back. These are the actions of a coward and JUDAS!
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Posted: 2/16/2010 5:49 PM |
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| StephanieG wrote: |
I was going to let Bubble‘s comment pass, but I can‘t. In Bubble‘s eyes I am damned because of a comment - which I didn‘t know got posted. I edit extensively as I write and that last sentence got shoved down to the bottom of the that particular post. That is why that post has a long blank area. I am also damned for removing it! With Bubble you cannot win. Bubble and others are determined to show me and my actions in the worst possible light.
As for the advice I have been given it translates in my mind as saying ‘don‘t write about anything that interests you, just write about dull, - because Shally won‘t tolerate anything non-Christian(and it has to be the right type of Christianity:Her brand of Christianity)! So no paganism and no Russian Orthodox stuff ok? Oh and no threads that don‘t glorify Shally‘s brand of extreme Republicanism. Hey, have you ever heard of Free Speech? I have the right to post what I like as long as it doesn‘t interfere with other people‘s free speech - insipid stuff in as bland and balanced a way as possible‘.
(1) I write about paganism etc because I am interested in the subject. And I think that others might become interested in it as well. NOT to antagonise Shally whatever she may have you believe.
(2) I post links to Russian Orthodox Music videos on Youtube because I am interested in R.O. music. And I think that others might become interested in it as well. NOT to antagonise Shally whatever she may have you believe.
(3) I post links to interesting medical videos/websites because I am interested in such things. And I think that others might become interested in it as well. NOT to antagonise Shally whatever she may have you believe.
I have bent over backwards to apology to Shally, but to no avail. Consider my terrible crime in her eyes, I unknowingly added to her emotional burden when she was experiencing great emotional pain. I stopped when I found out about her mother‘s health.
Shally is not the only one who was deeply hurt. I was betrayed by someone that I considered a friend. She however as she admits(see above) never was my friend. She was leading me on to reveal my inner self so that she all the wile could gossip about me and spread lies and half-truths to other members behind my back. These are the actions of a coward and JUDAS!
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Shally knows I am more led by the buddhist dharma than I am by christian scripture....yet we get along fine...why is that? BECAUSE I DON‘T SHOVE IT DOWN ANYONES THROAT.
Why would I write about my religious beliefs here and why would you? Its not relevant to this site.
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ok, PNG what is it going to take for you to stop?
Everything we have ever talked about we have talked about it threads. For the world to see. Who are ‘these people‘ telling you all these things. Nevemind I don‘t give a crap.
Seriously what is it going to take?
Not that it‘s any of your business besides being a Christian, I also read Buddhism and try to practice it daily. I also study Sikh. Many of my pals are all different faiths and some are no faith. Never once have I ever forced my beliefs on others. Spoke about it? Yes. It‘s who I am.
Really what is it going to take to make you stop?
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| shally wrote: | ok, PNG what is it going to take for you to stop?
Everything we have ever talked about we have talked about it threads. For the world to see. Who are ‘these people‘ telling you all these things. Nevemind I don‘t give a crap.
Seriously what is it going to take?
Not that it‘s any of your business besides being a Christian, I also read Buddhism and try to practice it daily. I also study Sikh. Many of my pals are all different faiths and some are no faith. Never once have I ever forced my beliefs on others. Spoke about it? Yes. It‘s who I am.
Really what is it going to take to make you stop?
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It is going to take an exorcism!
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| StephanieG wrote: |
I am also damned for removing it! With Bubble you cannot win. Bubble and others are determined to show me and my actions in the worst possible light.
Hey, have you ever heard of Free Speech? I have the right to post what I like as long as it doesn‘t interfere with other people‘s free speech - insipid stuff in as bland and balanced a way as possible‘.
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As predicted - here are the two points: Oh everyone‘s out to get me, and Oh I have the right to Free Speech.
The answer to both of these is the following: Actions breed consequences. I‘m sure Bubble has better things to do with her time than be "determined to show you and your actions in the worst positive light".
In my eyes, what you‘re doing is forum spamming. If you see that your threads repeatedly receive no replies and consist of nothing more than a link, then it should be quite obvious that some "forum etiquette" has been breached. Or, more simply, other members don‘t really care.
"Post about abusive guys you‘ve dated" doesn‘t really translate to "Post away about whatever youtube link you happen to come across even if nobody really cares".
You offer wonderful advice in some areas of the forum through your "unique perspective". Perhaps your efforts should be directed more towards that aspect of this forum? It would be a lot more relevant and appropriate!
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I just never really understood the, no one is responding to my post or keeping track of how many look at it mentality.
Now if it‘s a person in need then yes I understand that.
But if it‘s a joke or music or info. Who really cares. Whomever it reaches, whomever it was intended for will see it. I don‘t think a tally keeping is important.
Kahlan your calmness, your sweet spirit is such a blessing to this site. And I really mean that. Thank you for being a part of this great site! Your contributions make it even better than it already is!
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Kahlan you are right of course. I have been forgetting the reason(s) for this forum‘s existence.
I don‘t know if I can just restrict myself to posting about relevant subjects. There are three reasons for this. First, I don‘t really have a great deal of experience with relationships, especially with men, so any advice from me wouldn‘t be based on direct experience, but on indirect experience, reading, gossip, speculation and analysis. Second, my thoughts, opinions etc about men tend not to be too popular. I believe that men are even more ‘remote‘ and ‘distant‘ than women suppose. I could be wrong though, as a lot of my observations are based on hearing teenage boys talk about things when they think there are no girls about. They didn‘t know that I was a spy from the ‘enemy‘ camp and so spoke freely.
Of course you can explain these boys‘ sexist and objectifying conversation as just the ramblings of teen boys who are well known for their immaturity and crassness. Maybe men are different, or maybe they are just more self-aware and careful about expressing any opinions that might appear to demean or objectify women. I don‘t know the answer to this as the only man I am friendly with is my brother-in-law. Men don‘t confide in me.
Third, if I contained my activities here to strictly suitable subjects then I would be lucky to post more than once or twice a month. It would cause me too much pain to become an obscure and easily forgotten member of Womansavers. I cannot access the Chatroom so I would be even more isolated.
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| StephanieG wrote: | Kahlan you are right of course. I have been forgetting the reason(s) for this forum‘s existence.
I don‘t know if I can just restrict myself to posting about relevant subjects. There are three reasons for this. First, I don‘t really have a great deal of experience with relationships, especially with men, so any advice from me wouldn‘t be based on direct experience, but on indirect experience, reading, gossip, speculation and analysis. Second, my thoughts, opinions etc about men tend not to be too popular. I believe that men are even more ‘remote‘ and ‘distant‘ than women suppose. I could be wrong though, as a lot of my observations are based on hearing teenage boys talk about things when they think there are no girls about. They didn‘t know that I was a spy from the ‘enemy‘ camp and so spoke freely.
Of course you can explain these boys‘ sexist and objectifying conversation as just the ramblings of teen boys who are well known for their immaturity and crassness. Maybe men are different, or maybe they are just more self-aware and careful about expressing any opinions that might appear to demean or objectify women. I don‘t know the answer to this as the only man I am friendly with is my brother-in-law. Men don‘t confide in me.
Third, if I contained my activities here to strictly suitable subjects then I would be lucky to post more than once or twice a month. It would cause me too much pain to become an obscure and easily forgotten member of Womansavers. I cannot access the Chatroom so I would be even more isolated.
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png....thank you for helping us understand. men are still a mystery to me and i mostly just muddle through it.
i dont post a whole bunch because the women here have been through so much more than me and have learned so much that they have way more to offer than me.
if we can post only a couple times a month but be supportive of others then we can really make a difference.
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Don‘t ever underestimate the wisdom you hold, my sweet lil shell!
We are all the same. Hurt is hurt there is no measure when one is experiencing it.
You are a valued member here because of who you are ~ and that is one sweet sweet spirit!
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