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MrTrueBlue wrote:

shelbelle wrote: wisdum...i am so sorry for all the hurt you have had over so many years. if Wisdum is truly RambleOn  ....then she had no problem betraying her husband, and sleeping with someone elses man, therefore dishing out her own hurt to others while expecting all the sympathy for her and none for her husband and the OM‘s wife.

From what I remember she did not feel like she betrayed her husband, remember she felt like the man giving her the massage took advantage of her, given his position he sexually abused her.....kind of like when a doctor abuses his patient.

As far as the mans wife ....she did not tell her about the abuse to protect her from the hurt it would have caused her and their unborn child.

Everyone might not see it that way, but she did.  So shouldn‘t we should respect her feelings?  

From what I remember she did not feel like she betrayed her husband, remember she felt like the man giving her the massage took advantage of her, given his position he sexually abused her.....kind of like when a doctor abuses his patient.

Abuse his position he may have, but abused her?  no.

You can‘t abuse someone willing.  She was married, she knew he was married and she f####d him anyway.

What?  She doesn‘t have a mind of her own and he had her under some supernatural spell or something?  She cheated on her husband, and screwed someone elses husband. 

Yes, the massage therapist took advantage of his profession to get some on the side and that makes him not only a jackass, but he should have charges brought against him.

But that doesn‘t let her off the hook for her role in things.  She is a grown woman.  She knew what she was doing and she should have gotten off the table, possibly slapped him in the face and walked out and maybe to a lawyer‘s office.

But no...............she effed him.

As far as the mans wife ....she did not tell her about the abuse to protect her from the hurt it would have caused her and their unborn child.

She didn‘t give one squirt of piss about the wife, and she even said so.  She told this forum that she owes nothing to the wife.  So no.  She didn‘t keep the information from her to protect her.  She did it because she would have probably gotten a right deserved punch in the face from the wife.

Everyone might not see it that way, but she did.  So shouldn‘t we should respect her feelings?  

No.  This site is for women that have suffered at the hands of men from physical abuse, and cheating.

And here is a woman that is part of the problem...one that sleeps with a married man, and blames everyone else for HER actions.  Its a slap in the face of any woman that has had to deal with cheating.

Maybe if RambleOn, Wisdum, or whatever she wants to call herself now, OWNED her actions and quit blaming everyone else except herself.....THEN maybe I could respect her feelings.  but its clear she has no respect for anyone involved in her situation.....the wife, her husband, or even her own children.

MTB...I agree with you....the massage therapist took advantage of his position. 

And yes, Rambleon could have made other choices....she could have jumped off the table and slapped the therapist and never went back. 

She could have chose to go to an attorney and file charges.

She could have then went to the wife and told her everything, as you said she probably would have got slapped or worse, but oh well, she deserved it, right?

But it didn‘t happen that way....have you ever wondered why?  Remember Ramble on‘s husband was not only a drunk, but abusive to her for years during their marriage.  Her self-esteem was at an all time low....maybe if she would have been in a different frame of mind, she would have chose to have gotten off that table and left.  But she was used to abuse.  She stayed just as she had did for years in her marriage.....again her choice. 

Now thats no excuse for her not slapping the therapist or at the least for not leaving.....just trying to understand her mind set at the time.  I hope she has received counsling and would make different choices now.

When Ramble on was here she did give a lot of good advice in the abuse section.  Did you ever read her posts in the abuse section?  I have never read any post were she attacked a betrayed wife.....Thats all I‘m saying....and if I remember right she did reconcile once again with her husband.  Again her choice, who are we to judge her? 

Personally, I would like to see Ramble back in the abuse section giving advice, she had lots of it, mainly from her own experience.

But she has chose not to.  And I don‘t blame her.  Way to many stones were thrown here at her.  Maybe she has grown a back-bone and doesn‘t put up with any type of abuse.....  not even on an internet forum.

shally wrote:

MrTrueBlue wrote: shally wrote: Hi there, blue!   howdy there shallers!right back Well hi there stranger! Where have you been? Life good? Hope so!

Life is very good.  been REAL busy with work, new responsibilities, promotion.   Sometimes its overwelming.

just been real busy with work and my kids.

But it didn‘t happen that way....have you ever wondered why?

Don‘t care why.  If her husband is a drunk, and she MORE than tried to make it clear and excuse her actions because of this, then she could have divorced him.

But she preferred to cheat instead.  Ok, lets give her the benefit of the doubt and lets just assume cheating is excusable in the case your spouse drinks alot.

She told this forum that she owes nothing to the wife and had a pretty damn despicable attitude towards the wife.  In Ramble‘s view, she was entitled to sleep with this man and it didn‘t matter if he was married because she wasn‘t the one that had the vows with him.

That alone shows that she is self-absorbed and cares about nobody but herself.

  Remember Ramble on‘s husband was not only a drunk, but abusive to her for years during their marriage.  Her self-esteem was at an all time low....maybe if she would have been in a different frame of mind, she would have chose to have gotten off that table and left.  But she was used to abuse.  She stayed just as she had did for years in her marriage.....again her choice. 

Fair enough.  But again, she is selfish and blames everyone but herself and even told us she could care less about the guy‘s wife.

Now thats no excuse for her not slapping the therapist or at the least for not leaving.....just trying to understand her mind set at the time.  I hope she has received counsling and would make different choices now.

See, problem is, she hasn‘t, and if she has, it sure as hell has not done her any good.

And here is the kicker, she comes on her and declares all men pigs.......uh...ok...so what do you call a woman that will sleep with someone elses wife and have a "to hell with her" attitude towards the wife?  She is a hypocrite.  She is just as much a pig, if not more so, than all the men she declares pigs.

When Ramble on was here she did give a lot of good advice in the abuse section.  Did you ever read her posts in the abuse section?

Ya, I saw her postings in the abuse section, and alot of it was bashing men as if she was any better than her.  Some of her "advice" was to basically tell women that men are sh#t as if she did no wrong at all.  i think the wife of this masseuse would think otherwise.

 I have never read any post were she attacked a betrayed wife

she didn‘t attack "a" betrayed wife....she had a sh#t attitude about the massage therapists wife.  She made it clear she has no allegiance or obligation to do the right thing to the wife and she is not her problem.

Thats all I‘m saying....and if I remember right she did reconcile once again with her husband.  Again her choice, who are we to judge her? 

Who is she to make all these sh#t choices...then come on here and judge all men like she did?  Whats good for the goose........

Personally, I would like to see Ramble back in the abuse section giving advice, she had lots of it, mainly from her own experience.

her advice would actually mean something if she took responsibility for her own actions and her attitude towards everyone involved was different.

But she has chose not to.  And I don‘t blame her.  Way to many stones were thrown here at her.  Maybe she has grown a back-bone and doesn‘t put up with any type of abuse.....  not even on an internet forum.

She doesn‘t put up with anything....and people telling her to take responsibility for her actions and quit blaming everyone else for her choices is no exception.

Ok, here are some jewels from Ramble/Wisdum herself:

"Bottom line,in general..ABUSIVE MEN ARE SICK...and that includes Cheaters!"

I agree, abusive men are sick.  however for her to write this sentence, since she also cheated........well then...??

"Why would I be responsible for What he did to HIS WIFE?"

Here we go, absolving herself of any wrongdoing or responsibility.

"To the point that I was honest right from the start.I didn‘t feel any guilt..because I did NOT have VOWS with his wife!"

She didn‘t feel bad about effing someone elses husband.

I agree with her statements about cheaters...they are lousy pieces of s##t.

but cheaters wouldn‘t be able to do what they do if people like here weren‘t in the world.  if it weren‘t for cheaters, she wouldn‘t have been able to gratify herself with someone elses husband.

"He owed me and my husband...and especially his WIFE."

she said that she didn‘t owe her husband anything because he was a drunk and abusive and also said that she didn‘t consider it cheating......that being the case, what is her basis for saying the masseuse owes her husband?  ??  really.  She owes her husband nothing, she owes the MM‘s wife nothing.....so why would she think the MM owes her husband?  THIS is the problem with her.  She wants to be considered the total, complete, and quintessential victim...everyone else is wrong, and she is right.

everyone owes her and she owes nothing to anyone.  THIS is the problem.

If I remember right Rambleon felt like she owed the mans wife nothing, because Ramble felt like the man had sexually taken advantage of her. 

The massage therapists went home to his pregnant wife every night as if nothing was going on.  Ramble had separated from her husband.  The wife was left in the dark by him....not by Ramble.  Even if Ramble had made an attempt to contact his wife, who is to say the wife would have believed her?  The massage therapist probably would have told his wife that Ramble was just some crazy over-sexed client who had the hots for him and was upset because he had turned her down.  Mostly likely he would have twisted it all around.  And who do you think the pregnant wife would have believed?  Especially if the massage therapists treated his wife good in their life together.

We really have no way of knowing....but we do know the man led a "secret life"  away from his wife at his office.  And for whatever reasons Ramble chose not to tell the wife. 

In the ABUSE section I don‘t ever remember a thread where Ramble called all men pigs, nor did she bash ALL men, or say ALL men are wrong. 

Ask any woman here if they have ever bashed men when they have been hurt by one?  Its part of healing, first you get angry, then you heal, women come here to vent.  So if Ramble did some venting here, I‘d say she had a right to just as anyone else does who has been hurt.

He didn‘t sexually assault her.  He made a move, and she willingly reciprocated.  Was it wrong of him?  Absolutely.

It was only "abuse" when he no longer wanted anything to do with her.