WomanSavers.com Forum / GENERAL / Fell off the wagon big time

LEAVE HER ALONE!!!!!! ALL OF YOU!!!

If it‘s a fight you prudes are looking for, try starting one with me! At least pick on someone your own size! God, I had no idea women were such anti-sex nuns these days! That certainly hasn‘t been my experience! Where do you prudes come from? A Catholic convent or something?

Seriously, stop picking on her!!! She did absolutely NOTHING wrong, shameful, disgraceful, embarrassing, or negative in any way! Get away from her! I have a giant pitch fork and am not afriad to use it! All you sexually repressed  women, get back! And when I say sexually repressed women, I mean you too Mr. True Blue! You‘re just a woman with a penis! Get back!

Ravenlady, are you okay? All those purittanical mean women and that one mangina didn‘t hurt you, did they? Ouch, that looks painful! Ow, come here, I‘ll take care of you. First of all, let‘s dry those tears. Look at you. You‘re a mess. Here, come here. 

It‘s okay, they‘re all gone now. They‘ve all jumped back into their time machine and are back in the 1400s where they belong. It‘s okay. Itr‘s just you and me now. Everything is gonna be just fine. Shhhhh, shhhhh, shhhhh, hush little baby, don‘t say a word.... ...Ravenlady is a beautiful name, by the way.

Okay, listen carefully: There was absolutely nothing, nothing, NOTHING wrong with what you did. It wasn‘t self destructive, it wasn‘t a sign of mental illness, or any of the garbage that‘s being drilled into your head by these Catholic nuns! What you did was perfectly normal, natural, and healthy! As a man, I myself have had sex with seven (or was it eight?) women in one day, just six months ago, as a matter of fact. It wasn‘t due to low self esteem. On the contrary, it was due to high self esteem and I enjoyed every second of it!

These women here seem to have things backwards. They say enjoying yourself is a sign of low self esteem and denying yourself is a sign of high self esteem. Huh? Who invented this backward logic? Either some religious nutcases or some jealous hairy legged feminists! A happy, high self esteem person knows how to have fun and treat themselves, partially due to a realization that life is short. Living for now is the best thing all of us can do. I think some of these nuns here should go see therapists to figure out why they‘re denying themselves an enjoyable life. And they‘re actually telling you that for having fun, obtaining a high self esteem sense of empowerment and entitlement for the first time in a year means that you need help and should see a shrink? Are these women insane??? How about an exorsism while we‘re at it? Or removing your clitoris the way they do in brainwashed countries? That will make sure that you never treat yourself again. LOL

But, judging by the ridiculous title of this thread, I‘m guessing that you‘re not as proud of yourself for doing this as you should be. Well, let me tell you, if you think what you did was perhaps a bit too extreme for your taste, it was due to your truly insane year‘s worth of celibacy! That‘s what happens when you come up with the horrible idea of repressing your sexuality. You eventually unleash it in ways much more aggressive than if you would, if only you‘d been having sex regularly. You were celibate for a year due to brainwashing (nurture) but everytime you hide from who you really are, your inner genetic nature finds a way to come out even more strongly! In fact, this is just what I said in the "sleeping with men right away" thread. What happened to you totally validates my point of view and gives me the proof that I need. Thanks!

Stop calling it "falling off the wagon." That‘s just stupid. Sex is not a drug like alcholol or heroine; it is the ultimate expression of your inner human nature unpolluted by societal brainwashing and ridiculous cultural standards of propriety. For the first time in a year, you finally got in touch with your pure self, your inner core, your natural unashamed, and unrestrained womanhood. In other words, for the first time in a year (maybe for the first time in your life) you have met your true self! 

Listen, if you don‘t have sex regularly from now on, this repression will continue to build and build and build, until it explodes again, maybe even more violently then it did this time. If you want to prevent that, then stop fighting your nature (you‘ll only make it stronger) and start having sex regularly with one man again.

Tula, I hope you‘re reading this. This truly does prove everything I said to you in the other thread. Nature beats nurture everytime and if you try to beat nature with nurture, nature will end up getting bottled up until it explodes even more extremely then if it would never have been bottled up in the first place. What did I say? Nature mocks our pathetic cultural attempts at suppressing it.

Ravenlady, seriously, stop denying yourself good sex. This is what happens if you do. It explodes all at once with six men instead of one. Now I say, if six is what you want, you go girl! But if you want only one, than stop repressing! Again, six months ago, I had seven women in one day, and there have been many other days where I‘ve had two per day, three, four, etc... It wasn‘t due to low self esteem or insecurity, it was due to the opposite. As a man, I‘d have low self esteem if I didn‘t do it. LOL

As for STDs, don‘t worry. Yes, you should have used condoms with all of them, and next time, I hope you do, but, believe it or not, STDs are not NEARLY as common as the anti-sex prudes, the media, our sex education teachers, and our religious nuts say they are. STDs are just an excuse that prudes use to advocate their prudish agenda. These nuts make it sound as if STDs are everywhere and having any type of sex outside of marriage, even with a virgin, virtually assures you will get AIDS and die! In fact, I‘ve seen a documentary, where a high school student asked a teacher, "Well what if I want to have sex before marriage?" and the teacher responded, "Well then you better prepare to die." What garbage! It‘s all lies designed to control you. Yes STDs are real, and yes to say that they‘re rare would be a slight stretch. But, they‘re certainly NOT common. In fact, they‘re pretty uncommon. The media talks about them all the time, and therefore, makes it seem as if they‘re everywhere and most of the people who always bring that crap up are prudes and puritans themselves. Consider the source.

I get myself tested regularly, and by the thinking of these nuns, I should have every STD in the book. I have none. Not just me. So should all my friends and all the women that I know. They all have none!The last thing the prudes want is for me and my friends to speak at a school where we can tell the kids that leading a promiscuous lifestyle and never getting a disease is possible as long as you‘re safe.

Again, you should have used condoms, but, one night of sex with six men is nothing. I‘v seen women, some of whom I‘ve slept with, have sex with ten men at the same time ON A REGULAR BASIS OVER THE COURSE OF MONTHS and not get anything. So what you did is pretty conservative. Of course, you should get yourself tested and of course you should be safer next time, but if you do have something, I‘ll be genuinely shocked. You don‘t! Don‘t even worry about it. But, on the off chance that you do, you shouldn‘t blame it on your promiscuity. You should blame it on your year long celibacy that led to it.

That‘s right, celibacy gave you STDs (if you have any, which you don‘t), not sex. When they say that abstinence is the only sure method of prevention, they‘re lying! Abstinence leads to wild orgies! So, if by some chance, you have something, I hope this doesn‘t in any way turn you off to sexual liberation. Rather, it should turn you off to celibacy. When these women here say that they will be surprised if you don‘t have something, it is clear that they‘re sexual repression is based on fears, insecurities, and other lies that the culture has brainwashed them with. It‘s sad. I can introduce them to men and women who have had ten times more sex then you and are just fine.

Which brings me to a question: I know women who are very sexually liberated and are happy, not despite, but precisely because of it. Would you like to meet them? I can give you some sites where you can talk with them. They might make you feel better and even encourage some sexual liberation on your part. You may have made a mistake posting this here. Some of these women don‘t even think you‘re telling the truth, because in their world, these things don‘t happen. Wow! That shows us the thickness of the conservative bubble that they‘re living in. They‘re called sheep, ravenlady. They don‘t know what we know and they don‘t see the true reality, except when it‘s filtered through their politically correct delusions which they think is how the world really is. Unbelievable! 

But yeah, I haven‘t been here for very long, but I can already tell that this place is filled with prudes and Catholic nuns. So, be prepared to be burned at the stake. Maybe you should just confess these things to enlightened people not to your mother or others who will simply be disgusted. Ironically, this brings to mind a Bible quote, "Don‘t cast your pearls before swine."

Ravenlady, if you ever need to talk about anything, just let me know. Be proud of what you did. Stay strong and once again, 

Oh by the way, as for that one guy being married, who cares? You don‘t know his wife and have made no promises or obligations to her. If he‘s the type to cheat, she‘s doesn‘t deserve him anyway. You did her a favor!      

Unpopulartruth.....

Leave me out of the nun SHIT comments. I never commented either way whether I thought what she did was wrong or right......my comment was I think it‘s a fake story.....a bunch of made up BULLSHIT.

End of story.....

Shally....I must be soooooo out of the loop. Who the hell is Wisdum?? And where did this unpopulartruth guy come from??

FUCK....are they even for real?? Are they really men or women....I HATE this fake SHIT!!

Go get ‘em though, your doing great!!

Unpopuar,  do you want a woman that would screw 6 men in a week?

I am far far far from a nun,  I just choose to not sleep around.  I have always felt this way and will always feel this way.  I think men shouldn‘t sleep around either. 

I feel that is one of the main problems in marriages and relationships today,  people feel that sex means nothing anymore.  I for one was raised better.

This all sounds like you‘re a drug addict looking for a score...

It can be an addiction...a crutch...a way to suppress your reality.

Get help...

Unpopular truth - I would love to be able to have sex ‘like a guy‘ but the thing for me is trying not to get attached. The Australian guy was the first guy I was with in a long time and I liked him. He was extremely charming, very flattering,the conversation flowed even though he didn‘t talk much about what he did and not at all about his personal life, he was very wordly and been to many places (the only destinations I‘ve ever been to outside the US is the UK and Ireland), talked about different topics and seemed interested in me, said "I want to know everything about you", asking me questions. When he dropped me off at my hotel he told me he really wanted to see me again and asked for my room number and told me he‘d call but to make a kind of long and stupid (on my part) story short he didn‘t exactly keep his word but despite that I felt sorrow and disappointment I‘d never see him again. This is the pitfalls when it comes to one night stands, or one-offs. As for the married guy Sam he was the 2nd but he was so blatant from the start he only wanted sex, was clearly not interested in me as a person, treated me pretty much like a piece of tail and after it was over and I tried to cuddle with him told me he had to clean himself up and got up to the bathroom, came back out and told me let‘s go back down for a beer (which I felt was translation, guyspeak for I want you out of my room, in other words I‘m done f**king you and I‘d like to find a way to get rid of you). I myself wanted to freshen up before I went down but from his demeanor I knew he just wanted me out of there so when we got down I freshened up in the restroom and left him. I didn‘t join him - I ditched him before he could ditch me. I know I should‘ve felt bad about his wife but I didn‘t and I told myself it‘s not as if I‘m having an affair with him or want to steal him away from her, and she‘ll never know about me unless he tells her. After him I was with the guy, another Irish guy from Dublin I met in Dublin who ended up giving me his contact info and who seems and certainly is the most solid of the bunch, was very sweet, but seems kind of high strung and neurotic (like me) and I had a great time with and he says the same. He told me quite a bit about himself, even admitting he has a criminal record but that was in his younger days. He‘s doesn‘t have much money, said he delivers letters for an accounting firm (courier I gather), lives in a crummy place, doesn‘t have a car only a motorbike but I don‘t care, I was happy with him and hope he doesn‘t lose interest. I should‘ve stopped with him but I didn‘t. The Welsh guy was kind of an ordeal - he hardly spoke to me, and I could hardly understand him when he did, and he was lazy and lying on his back almost all the time and I had to do almost all the work, giving me orders and I and was worn out and was glad when it was over. The other two guys were English guys named Simon and Ollie (although he said he‘s Swedish but apparently has been living in England long enough as he sounded it) who were his friends/colleagues and in the room also, and I caught the Simon guy taking a picture of me with Ollie and I should‘ve been furious but I wasn‘t and besides my hair was hanging down so I doubt my face is really shown.

Sunny, it wasn‘t 6 men in a week. It was over a period of nearly a month that I was there from 10/8 to 10/31. I think I am an addict but not a sex addict. Probably what I‘ve heard is called a love addict, although I don‘t know much about it. I want the company and cuddling and the feeling of being loved and wanted and desired more than the actual sex (although I do enjoy that, some of it, or with some men). I can take the critism but I don‘t care for being called a troll and a liar when I‘m not. In fact I think it‘s pretty crappy etiquette forum, hell bad form online or not, to call someone a liar unless you know for a fact they are, but that‘s just my opinion.

Evesdrop - What is it with you thinking that everyone who doesn‘t share your values must be fake? What the hell? Do you know how arrogant that is? It is as if you‘re saying that everyone must think the way you do and if they say they don‘t, they‘re just pretending not to just to get attention, but in secret, they really do, because, according to you, no one can really think the way we do, and the stuff that we describe really doesn‘t happen in real life. Nothing happens in real life that is contradictory to your values. If someone writes a contrary story, they must be lying and are full of SHIT!

I must admit something - I have NEVER encountered such a level of arrogance! You need to get the hell out of your little conservative bubble and join the rest of us in reality. Just because we think differently from you doesn‘t mean we‘re fictional or fake! We are real people and these are real stories! Just because you disagree doesn‘t mean you have the right to refuse to acknowledge the objective existence of an unpopular truth. That is arrogance to the max! Such sexual promiscuity happens everyday. Just because I disagree strongly with your values, doesn‘t mean that I doubt that they are sincerely held. I would never be so arrogant as to say that things don‘t exist because they are outside the psychological prism of what my innocent mind believes humans are capable of. Wow, this explains a lot about all of you and your beliefs.  Sorry to burst your pathetic bubble of innocence! Welcome to reality baby....

Shally - sad excuse for a man? LOL! Why? Because I am both sexually satisfied AND disease free, and I have the nerve to tell women that that‘s possible and that they shouldn‘t be ashamed of their sexual urges, and that, instead, their urges should empower them and connect them to their true primal source of womanhood? Is that what makes me an idiot? That‘s fine then. You keep making your own gender feel guilty for what they in their heart of hearts desperately want to be free to do by keeping them in a disempowered state of guilt, and I‘ll keep trying to empower the female gender against self hating sexists like you! Fair?

TULUTAH - well, aren‘t you just a touchy little minx! My "impotent" show of protection was not meant to be a hilarious show for the rest of you in order to really scare anyone away. It was meant more as a kind gesture of friendship towards ravenlady, you HEARTLESS LITTLE BLOCK OF ICE!

As for me leaving, wherever there are women who feel guilty for their own genetic urges and wherever there are women like you who do their best to intensify that guilt and disempower them as much as possible, that‘s where I‘ll be - fighting to free women of their guilt and empower them against anyone or anything that tries to drag them into the pit of self hatred that you‘re dragging them too. I‘ll be there with a sword of truth in my hand, fighting to liberate the female gender!

Sunny - Yes, I would love a woman who screwed six men in one week (and I have had such women in my bed), not just because I prefer them with experience, but because there is something liberating about a personality that knows how to live life in the moment. I love the high self esteem and emotional energy of such women. They truly complete me.

In fact (true story), my ex-girlfriend and I, during the second year of our relationship (we were together four years before we broke up) decided to go to a sex party. We decided to relax our sexual exclusivity for just one night. We spent five hours at that sex party and during those hours, she had sex with seven different men (yes that‘s in one day), whereas I only had actual sex with two different women there. We were all in the same room. Let me tell you, that did wonders for our relationship, ended up bringing us closer together as a couple, and bought us another two years together (as the relationship was getting boring). I was never more in love with her than I was that day!

You say that you choose not to sleep around. That‘s fair. I think you have every right to say no without being called a bitch, just like I feel a man has every right to dump you because of it without being called a jerk, but you wouldn‘t agree with that would you? You choose to pass judgment on those that do sleep around, claimng that you were raised "better!" "Better?" Why is that "better?" Just because your parents told you so? Please! Is this an independent belief, or a belief that your parents drilled into you? If it‘s the latter, it‘s hard for me to respect. You believing that it‘s better and that everyone should live like you makes it even harder for me to respect.

As for sex meaning nothing anymore - huh? In my experience, sex can be the most meaningful and spiritual experience ever, and it could also be a fun casual thing, depending on what you‘re in the mood for at the time. But you‘re wrong in thinking that one cancels out the other. It‘s not either/or. It can be both, depending on the time, place, and life stage you‘re in. As I always say, monogamy is as natural as polygamy.

Ravenlady - Sorry, you lost me right after you said, "I‘d love to have sex like a guy but..." LOL! No, I‘m kidding, I did read the whole thing, but that was the one thing that stood out. You say that you‘d love to sleep with men unattached, but the problem is you always seem to get attached? Well, you‘re talking to the right man. I can help you overcome this emotional handicap and you wll never again feel emotions for a man you‘re sleeping with unless and until you want to. Would you like that? Would you like to be as casual, and as empowered, regarding the subject of sex as a guy? If yes, I can help you achieve this state of emotional independence. I‘ll try to explain how tomorrow. But if you‘re interested, I can help you have sex, as you put it, "like a guy." We‘ll definitely talk!

Oh, by the way, that husband that you slept with sounds like a real piece of SHIT! I was very saddened to read that after sleeping with you, he treated you like trash, saying that he immediately needs to take a shower and get cleaned up, as if you‘re a piece of garbage! That‘s horrible! I‘m so sorry. He didn‘t deserve a woman like you. If I‘m sleeping with a woman, even if I don‘t even know her name, because it‘s just a one night stand, I am greatly apperciative of her and very respectful (especially afterwards, not so much before she even demonstrates a willingless, but after, defiinitely).

If I had a wife to cheat on, I would be extremely respectful to the woman who I‘m cheating on her with, especially if she knows that I‘m married and she‘s willing to sleep with me anyway. Now that‘s an enlightened woman who deserves all the respect in the word! You were smart to ditch him before he ditched you. That bastard wasn‘t worth spit! You know what, I hope his wife continues to make him miserable until the day he dies! LOL!    

"If  we are  soooo  bad why are you here?  I feel the comments to her have been truthful and blunt,  it doesn‘t get much better then that."

If you think that ganging up on someone is acceptable then no....you aren‘t sooo bad.I guess you feel you have the right to look down on others for some reason.So be it.

But your TRUTH isn‘t the only TRUTH.

Do you actually think it‘s ok to judge people as inferior to you without any amount of compassion, when you don‘t even know them and say it doesn‘t get much better than that?

What does it matter who I am? Call me a rescuer of the underdog as I have been in her shoes before and I can all too easily empathize and sympathize.

I am a woman who found this place and hoped to help other woman if I could with what I have learned in my life without looking down on them like alot of you are right now.

Support forums need more SUPPORT than they do judgement don‘t you think?

WE ARE ALL WORTH SAVING as women (WOMANSAVERS) and just because you don‘t approve of this woman‘s choices,doesn‘t mean you have the right to gang up on her or to call her "NASTY".Or a Troll....or make her feel as though she is some sort of "slut".

I think it‘s NASTY to judge others as though you are perfect.No one is PERFECT.

We all makes choices and we all pay for them one way or another.You are no different and I also realize that it‘s way too easy to sit behind a screen and spew hate when no one can hold you accountable for it.

Bully for you.I mean come on ladies....why all displaced hate and anger? Did this woman insult your sensibilities?

What difference do her choices make to your life?

It is her life afterall and she was really just looking for a place to confess as she felt badly about herself.

I have every right to my opinion.And I chose to support this woman,(with expection of her choice to not use protection as that‘s just dangerous)not make her feel worse than she already does.And if that makes me some sort of UNWELCOME member...so be it.

I am well aware that aligning myself against the general concensus put me in the postion to answer for myself,and I also know I need not justify myself to ANYONE.

But I did want to clarify my postion in this.

I am here to SUPPORT women no matter what they do or who they are.

I have a mind of my own and I don‘t need to join in the judgement to make myself feel superior to anyone.

I am FAR from perfect and have learned from my mistakes in life and know that without then,I would not be the person I am today.Smarter and wiser and alot less judgemental because I know.....we ALL make choices that are hard to live with.

I understand that there is power in numbers when it comes to judging others,I don‘t care to be part of the Bashing of any woman.....no matter what her position.

Last time I checked...this was a public forum that was created to support woman...not bash them.

http://eqi.org/invalid.htm

"To say to this young woman that what she did wasn‘t wrong is something I nor others can do."

What right does anyone here have to judge her or anyone who comes here seeking support? Why can‘t I tell her what she did wasn‘t wrong in my eyes.Why can‘t I show her support? Why can‘t I validate her without having members come down on me too?.My wrong is different than your wrong.And I won‘t apologize for not bashing her.

I‘ll tell you why.

Because if you don‘t go along with the judging you‘ll be outcasted.  People here will prattle on and on that opinions are accepted as long as everyone has the same opinion on the subject. 

You‘re either an open book or you learn to keep people on a "need to know" basis because you‘ve been ridiculed for opening up.  I had to figure that out here a long time ago.

You‘re not guilty until someone else makes you feel guilty.

"Because if you don‘t go along with the judging you‘ll be outcasted."

I know that..But you know what? I‘d still rather not join in just to be accepted and part of a group of people without compassion for someone going thru a hard time.

I know all about how and why people invaldiate eachother.

Invalidation is to reject, ignore, mock, tease, judge, or diminish someone‘s feelings. It is an attempt to control how they feel and for how long they feel it.

We regularly invalidate others because we ourselves were, and are often invalidated, so it has become habitual. Below are a few of the many ways we are invalidated:

• We are told we shouldn‘t feel the way we feel
• We are dictated not to feel the way we feel
• We are told we are too sensitive, too "dramatic"
• We are ignored
• We are judged
• We are led to believe there is something wrong with us for feeling how we feel

How the other person responds to your emotional honesty will depend upon, and be indicative of:

(a) how much they respect you

(b) how much they care about you and your feelings

(c) how insecure and defensive they are

(d) how much they are trying to change or control you

Outcast me if you must....it‘s for a good cause in my mind.

I advocate support over invalidation everytime!

Ravenlady.....there are other support forums out there that won‘t call you nasty for having sex.

Seek those out.