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Posted: 8/21/2008 5:50 PM |
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If he says my momma says you should clean the house and cook me dinner. Then say goodbye. If he says my momma says you shouldn‘t wear sexy clothes and got out dancing with the girls. Then say goodbye. I just realized this today and wanted to share.
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| shally |
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Posted: 8/21/2008 7:13 PM |
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And I‘m glad you did. Controlling little ass wipe, huh?

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Posted: 8/21/2008 7:27 PM |
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Playing Devil‘s advocate, some might say ‘what is a wife for if she won‘t cook and clean?‘
A great many men genuinely do believe that a wife who won‘t cook and clean is not fulfilling her part of the marriage contract. Wives fully expect their husbands to work without exception because they see that as his part of the marriage contract. A wife who expects her husband to work and also cook and clean doesn‘t want a husband she wants a slave.
P.S. Rightly or wrongly men interpret the fact that a women is dressed ‘sexy‘ as meaning she is sexually available.
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Posted: 8/21/2008 7:32 PM |
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And did you say goodbye?
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Posted: 8/21/2008 8:52 PM |
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yes. I have said goodbye. My ex husband used to say that kind of stuff. His mom‘s got her foot in his back.
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Posted: 8/21/2008 9:40 PM |
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Good for you! Is he living with momma?
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Posted: 8/21/2008 9:57 PM |
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When a woman has a good relationship with her mother that is seen as good. However, when a man has a similarly good relationship with his mother he is seen by women as being a ‘mother‘s boy‘, ‘under her thumb‘, ‘tied to her apron strings‘ etc. What women seem to be demanding is that a man should be close and respectful with his mother but not be influenced by her attitudes or opinions. I think this is impossible. Nietzsche once wrote that men get their idea of women from their mothers. If men hate, love or are indifferent to their mothers, then they will hate, love, or being indifferent towards women. A man‘s relationship with his mother speaks volumes about he really thinks of women.
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Posted: 8/22/2008 12:03 AM |
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A great many men genuinely do believe that a wife who won‘t cook and clean is not fulfilling her part of the marriage contract.
Wives fully expect their husbands to work without exception because they see that as his part of the marriage contract.
A wife who expects her husband to work and also cook and clean doesn‘t want a husband she wants a slave.
P.S. Rightly or wrongly men interpret the fact that a women is dressed ‘sexy‘ as meaning she is sexually available.
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hmmm..I don‘t remember cooking and cleaning being specifically mentioned in my vows. love...honor...cherish...obey...sickness..health. those I remember...cook? clean?...nope..don‘t think so. Now, since Society has decided that these are the responsibility of the women of our culture, I took these things upon myself rather than leave them to my stbx. Why? Not because society said I should, but because if I didn‘t, I‘d still be cleaning out the mess from the house we moved out of in Jan after living there for 2 years.
I didn‘t expect my stbx to work. it was just naturally assumed that since we‘ve both liked to eat, have electricity, water and a roof over our heads since we were born, that meant we would need money. Getting money means getting a job. It was his decision to get one. He had it before we got married. He kept the job he had, we ate, we had electric, we had water, we had a home. My not working had nothing to do with being his wife or being a mother. he knew this going in, so he never asked me to work, just like he never asked me to cook or clean.
My stbx was home a max of 3 days a week. during those three days, he would not lift a finger around the house. He would leave his trash wherever it left his hand. The same for his clothes and dishes. From the time I was 7 months pregnant until 2 months after I gave birth via C-Section, NOTHING got cleaned in the house becasue I could not stand for more than 5 minutes and I was staying at my mother‘s during the week, only coming home with him on the weekend where I would try to keep the dishes down and kept the toilet from turning strange colors. Trash was pointless, I couldn‘t bend over to pick it up, let alone lift the bags out of the can. Cooking consisted of whatever required nothing more than speaking into a clown‘s face or tossing it in the microwave. Shopping was covered by my mother, or we‘d have starved. Some laundry got done because it mainly consisted of the 3 sets of clothes he carried in the suitcase on the road with him with room left over for some of my clothes. the rest of it started to pile up and waited for me.
Now, At what point in there should I not have expected my husband, father of the child growing within me, to step in and take over some of "my" resposibilities in the home? Was it the point where the dishes were beginning to attract the flies? the point where the laundry piles two feet high on on the floor began to smell funny? Or was it the point where you literally had a 13 inch wide path through the living room? It took me a MONTH to clean that place up. stbx agreed to help me with the last of it, our bedroom, but then bailed on me when it actually came time to do it, telling me he "took a daddy day" with our daughter over at his sister‘s (where he was supposed to just drop her off and where I called him 2 or 3 times over 6 hours asking him what he was doing and telling him I needed his help) instead. when he did come home, he brought our 2 1/2 yr-old niece with him because his sister "needed a break." isn‘t he a peach?
Slave? No, I don‘t want a slave, I didn‘t much like being one myself, but I DO want someone who has respect for HIMSELF and respect for MY time and MY energy not to waste it on stuff THEY could do just as well. i‘ve got a new rule in my life. You want to live in my house? You want to sleep in my bed? Fine, then you‘re going to carry your share of the load here. I‘m not a pack mule when it comes to the responsibilities of running a household. Pitch in or get out.
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Posted: 8/22/2008 9:53 AM |
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| Persona Non Grata wrote: | Playing Devil‘s advocate, some might say ‘what is a wife for if she won‘t cook and clean?‘
A great many men genuinely do believe that a wife who won‘t cook and clean is not fulfilling her part of the marriage contract. Wives fully expect their husbands to work without exception because they see that as his part of the marriage contract. A wife who expects her husband to work and also cook and clean doesn‘t want a husband she wants a slave.
P.S. Rightly or wrongly men interpret the fact that a women is dressed ‘sexy‘ as meaning she is sexually available.
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Oh, PNG, no you didn‘t!? You said the following:
"A wife who expects her husband to work and also cook and clean doesn‘t want a husband she wants a slave."
I am dumbfounded by that statement. It seems so prehistoric. By that statement, I guess we can rightfully assume that all men want slaves for wives because women today do all of that and then some.
In today‘s economy both husbands and wives work full-time jobs. HOWEVER, in many a household the wife is still expected to cook, clean, do laundry, take care of the children, do the gardening, the grocery shopping, the banking, etc., etc., etc.
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Posted: 8/22/2008 10:04 AM |
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He lives with his mom. He works for his mom. He said he had learned by the time he was 11, that when mom puts you in a choke hold, you shut up. I didn‘t learn this lesson. No one in my life ever fought or came to physical aggression so easily. So when she grabbed my throat and put her knee in my back, got me down and was choking me. I didn‘t know what to do. So i puller her earing out. My 80lb friend called 911. I hate that my daughter has to be around this awful woman. I hate that my 5 year old comes home and says she was up all night crying alone wanting me. terrible. He leaves her at his moms house while who knows what he‘s doing. My ex sister in law thought it was ok to smack her kids around. she kicked her 2 yr old to the ground the day after daddy‘s funeral. I watched her slap her 1 yr old in the face for throwing food on the floor. I‘ve watched her smack all her kids around for too long. Violence breads violence. I‘ve told my daughter many times, no one is allowed to hit her. I wish i had hidden cameras. she told me her daddy‘s hits her for not listening.
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Posted: 8/22/2008 11:35 AM |
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I think the fact that a man would quote his mother as saying those things is the problem. He can believe what he wants and say what he wants but I am sorry it is so silly to quote your mother. If you are older than 10 that is. I don‘t quote my mother although I often agree with her thinking. Most grown people don‘t unless they are Forest Gump or the Water Boy.
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Posted: 8/22/2008 2:42 PM |
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A great many men genuinely do believe that a wife who won‘t cook and clean is not fulfilling her part of the marriage contract.
Wives fully expect their husbands to work without exception because they see that as his part of the marriage contract.
A wife who expects her husband to work and also cook and clean doesn‘t want a husband she wants a slave.
P.S. Rightly or wrongly men interpret the fact that a women is dressed ‘sexy‘ as meaning she is sexually available.
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hmmm..I don‘t remember cooking and cleaning being specifically mentioned in my vows. love...honor...cherish...obey...sickness..health. those I remember...cook? clean?...nope..don‘t think so. Now, since Society has decided that these are the responsibility of the women of our culture, I took these things upon myself rather than leave them to my stbx. Why? Not because society said I should, but because if I didn‘t, I‘d still be cleaning out the mess from the house we moved out of in Jan after living there for 2 years.
I didn‘t expect my stbx to work. it was just naturally assumed that since we‘ve both liked to eat, have electricity, water and a roof over our heads since we were born, that meant we would need money. Getting money means getting a job. It was his decision to get one. He had it before we got married. He kept the job he had, we ate, we had electric, we had water, we had a home. My not working had nothing to do with being his wife or being a mother. he knew this going in, so he never asked me to work, just like he never asked me to cook or clean.
My stbx was home a max of 3 days a week. during those three days, he would not lift a finger around the house. He would leave his trash wherever it left his hand. The same for his clothes and dishes. From the time I was 7 months pregnant until 2 months after I gave birth via C-Section, NOTHING got cleaned in the house becasue I could not stand for more than 5 minutes and I was staying at my mother‘s during the week, only coming home with him on the weekend where I would try to keep the dishes down and kept the toilet from turning strange colors. Trash was pointless, I couldn‘t bend over to pick it up, let alone lift the bags out of the can. Cooking consisted of whatever required nothing more than speaking into a clown‘s face or tossing it in the microwave. Shopping was covered by my mother, or we‘d have starved. Some laundry got done because it mainly consisted of the 3 sets of clothes he carried in the suitcase on the road with him with room left over for some of my clothes. the rest of it started to pile up and waited for me.
Now, At what point in there should I not have expected my husband, father of the child growing within me, to step in and take over some of "my" resposibilities in the home? Was it the point where the dishes were beginning to attract the flies? the point where the laundry piles two feet high on on the floor began to smell funny? Or was it the point where you literally had a 13 inch wide path through the living room? It took me a MONTH to clean that place up. stbx agreed to help me with the last of it, our bedroom, but then bailed on me when it actually came time to do it, telling me he "took a daddy day" with our daughter over at his sister‘s (where he was supposed to just drop her off and where I called him 2 or 3 times over 6 hours asking him what he was doing and telling him I needed his help) instead. when he did come home, he brought our 2 1/2 yr-old niece with him because his sister "needed a break." isn‘t he a peach?
Slave? No, I don‘t want a slave, I didn‘t much like being one myself, but I DO want someone who has respect for HIMSELF and respect for MY time and MY energy not to waste it on stuff THEY could do just as well. i‘ve got a new rule in my life. You want to live in my house? You want to sleep in my bed? Fine, then you‘re going to carry your share of the load here. I‘m not a pack mule when it comes to the responsibilities of running a household. Pitch in or get out. |
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and while I am on one, I too will no longer be the super fairy that sweeps through my abode whilst every-sod-else is oblivious.
EQUALITY at some degree at the very least! If not then it aint happening!

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Posted: 8/23/2008 7:10 PM |
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Mine only said" my momma... once. I told him I ain‘t your momma I am your wife if you don‘t like the way I do things do them yourself or get your momma to do them for you" He has not said it since then.
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Posted: 8/23/2008 8:20 PM |
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thank you sam!
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Posted: 8/23/2008 8:47 PM |
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Did you get rid of the boyfriend? How are you doing spring?
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Posted: 8/24/2008 4:38 PM |
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I‘m still trying to get rid of the ex boyfriend. he wants to be friends. Part of me would like to be friends, but I am afraid, what if the next stupid thing he does gets one of us hurt.
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Posted: 8/26/2008 5:39 AM |
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| Persona Non Grata wrote: | When a woman has a good relationship with her mother that is seen as good. However, when a man has a similarly good relationship with his mother he is seen by women as being a ‘mother‘s boy‘, ‘under her thumb‘, ‘tied to her apron strings‘ etc. What women seem to be demanding is that a man should be close and respectful with his mother but not be influenced by her attitudes or opinions. I think this is impossible. Nietzsche once wrote that men get their idea of women from their mothers. If men hate, love or are indifferent to their mothers, then they will hate, love, or being indifferent towards women. A man‘s relationship with his mother speaks volumes about he really thinks of women.
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however PNG at the wedding this is covered by the VOW that goes:
and thereto i plight thee my trough.
which means....i take you over everyone else and i cleave unto you alone...all my assets i assign to you.
the case for the mama EVER being first is closed. a man can love his mother and repect her teachings but if his first allegence is to his original family, there is gonna be trouble.
understand that how they treat their mother is how they will treat you because when the children arrive you will be THE MOM.
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