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ToucheBaby
  Posted: 11/17/2007 10:07 AM Subject: YOU can‘t SHAME ME!
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ladysheikmoon wrote:
ToucheBaby wrote:
ladysheikmoon wrote:
ToucheBaby wrote:

Something else stands out to me on this thread........

All her so called "supporters".......they spend all their time trying to drag down anyone who disagrees with her.

They‘re not even supporting her........

Gee...what does that mean?!

~eyeroll~  LOL!



no clue ..lol

its like this...will it be ok since I was cheated on so many times that I just do it back?  Get real right..same thing in a way.  She is justifying her cheating on her childhood..so if I become the town slut that would be ok for me since I was the victim..

 



LOL!  Yes!  Its the same principle.

Ramble wants it to be inducted to society.  Shes on a campaign mission.....

Rambles Law......

"If you cant beat em...join em!"



so I can feel pleasure for all of 45 seconds..

hmm..not too tempting here and believe me I  HAVE been tempted



Ohh... I can see where you would be tempted.  In a revenge sort of way.  You‘re integrity holds you back.

Some people have to make the same mistakes in order to understand.

You‘re not one of those people.........



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  Posted: 11/17/2007 10:40 AM Subject: YOU can‘t SHAME ME!
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ToucheBaby wrote:
ladysheikmoon wrote:
chaos40 wrote:
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Do you mean to say the men on this site have NEVER cheated on a girlfriend?  Of course, they are not going to say so.  RambleOn confesses everything and she‘s some sort of monster. 


Ramble doesn‘t accept responsibility for the fact that BOTH her and this married are both cheating scum so yes, that does make her a monster... especially when she adds insult to injury by getting up on some high horse of righteous indignation and gallivanting through the site like she‘s the 4th horseman of the apocalypse slaying the evil MALE cheaters of the world. Spiting out sob stories like a drunk on Christmas eve to garner a sense of justification for her own poor choices  . give me a fucking break. She‘s full of shit and no better than any of the males she goes around judging for the very same things she is guilty of

 

People, poor experiences one has been through in the past is not a get out of jail free card for the poor choices they make as adults.. or, should we start exonerating every convicted felon like a bunch bleeding heart tree huggers simply because they had a negative experience at some point in their life?

 

Many of you would not be feeling so sorry for this hypocrite if you were the pregnant wife who had some woman trying to pry your hubby away from you. Whether or not the wife knew what was happening makes no fucking difference what-so-ever, ramble knew and she could have respected another woman’s marriage and the unborn child in that woman’s womb and simply said no thanks to this married man’s advances… she didn’t and she got exactly what she deserved in the end PERIOD



I think that what you said here is exactly what she needs to hear even if she gets hurt by it..

To hurt a wife esp carrying a child for your selfish purposes is just horrible.  I know been there but I can‘t feel sorry for them.

I feel bad for Ramble‘s past but look I also deal with a man with a horrible childhood who used that for blame..that isn‘t something for someone getting cheated on wants to hear.  To me it hurts far more knowing that ..if deep down inside they could of made things turn out different..or been honest at the start.  But I do have to say ..he knows what he created and has stepped up now blaming himself for his actions..

I hope Ramble you can get there and you will feel so much relief in admitting to your issues and find help with that..God doesn‘t want that for anyone to hide behind and think they are something they are not just cuz it looks better.



Yeah...she needs to focus on her actions and forget about him.  He‘s her partner in crime.  Two wrongs dont make a right.

Her selfishness has tumbled over into the lives of another woman and her child.  She is accountable for that.

The negative replies shes getting is more from the fact she shows zilch in the remorse/shame department.

Forgiveness comes easier to a person who is big enough to admit their mistakes.

Folly to forgive anything less.

Ramble is an example of the ramifications of a person who doesn‘t deal with an abusive past.

They slowly turn into abusers themselves.  All in the name of abuse....eh?

Sad as it is............its still unacceptable.

 



I am the kind of person who has to read things over to really get it  sometimes..lol

your right with this..like being abused as a child makes you abuse as an adult if you don‘t get help and change thinking patterns..

oh and the abuse is abuse..even if its not with a child..it can be brought out in many different ways.  Ramble..abused that woman carrying that baby, but doesn‘t even know it(she says) even if the woman doesn‘t know it now.. she does in her gut or will someday..

same with drug/alcohol/sex addicts..they dont face changing it will just continue down from generation to generation..

Oh I made plenty of mistakes sure, but God blessed me with a conscious that has been very strong ..so far anyway..



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  Posted: 11/17/2007 10:48 AM Subject: YOU can‘t SHAME ME!
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musiclover wrote:
Touche, you are, without a doubt, the most intelligent and perceptive member of this board. 

Everything you‘ve said is an incredibly accurate assessment of the situation, I just want you to know that there are people here who appreciate your wisdom.

It‘s too bad others are too blind to see the truth, and that blindness is going to enable Ramble in being a perpetual victim.  Too bad.


I agree with you on this..VERY much

so many people want to be sugarcoated, and maybe that might be effective in the begining but not in this case..

Many people have tried tell Ramble in ways that would be used as a first approach but she has been here a longgg time still thinking she is right with all this..

I think someone said about her that it takes a lot for her to come on a board like this and ask for help..yeah that does, but she doesn‘t want to listen to anyone‘s advice unless it is in her crystal ball..sad



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  Posted: 11/17/2007 11:11 AM Subject: YOU can‘t SHAME ME!
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musiclover wrote:
Touche, you are, without a doubt, the most intelligent and perceptive member of this board. 

Everything you‘ve said is an incredibly accurate assessment of the situation, I just want you to know that there are people here who appreciate your wisdom.

It‘s too bad others are too blind to see the truth, and that blindness is going to enable Ramble in being a perpetual victim.  Too bad.


Wow!  You just rendered me speechless!

 



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chaos40 wrote:
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Touche, you are, without a doubt, the most intelligent and perceptive member of this board. 

Everything you‘ve said is an incredibly accurate assessment of the situation, I just want you to know that there are people here who appreciate your wisdom.

It‘s too bad others are too blind to see the truth, and that blindness is going to enable Ramble in being a perpetual victim.  Too bad.


Id like to take a moment to second this thought


Awwww..you ,Moon and ML just touched my heart!

Ya‘ll are so sweet!

Each of you have the same wisdom........

 

 



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  Posted: 11/18/2007 6:22 AM Subject: YOU can‘t SHAME ME!
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lorrie wrote:
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From what I‘ve seen, yes you can gauge the degree of abuse a woman has suffered by her actions.  If she is into drugs and alcohol you can be fairly certain she has been abused by someone.  Many of these men are narcissists.  They are easily spotted.  You only have to know a few of their traits.  (Chaos and TrueBlue have displayed the ultimate narcissistic trait against women in general).  1.  Intimidation, ridicule, name-calling.  2.  Argumentive to an extreme degree.  3.  Rage.  4.  Lies.  5.  Cheating.  6.  Risk taking with finances, health, etc.  7.  Woman-hating.  8.  Grandoise self-love.  9.  Mama‘s boy.  10.  Stories that evoke pity.  11.  No sense of responsibility for their actions.  12.  Lack of empathy.  13.  Uncharitable...  and the list goes on.  RambleOn is a prime example of what some women suffer.  She definitely suffered MORE on this board due to narcassitic men and women who have little empathy.  You lose empathy by being mistreated by someone in your life.  In this day and age there is absolutely no excuse for lack of information on this subject.  WomanSavers to me, means Empathy for women.


right, she fucked a married man all by herself.  like he wasn‘t there.

 didn‘t he know he was married, didn‘t he know his wife was pregnant.



Yes, thats a good point...but he isn‘t here telling this story...SHE is.  And this guy, as I‘ve said before...IS scum!!!

But if he is....so is she.



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  Posted: 11/18/2007 6:28 AM Subject: YOU can‘t SHAME ME!
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ToucheBaby wrote:

Something else stands out to me on this thread........

All her so called "supporters".......they spend all their time trying to drag down anyone who disagrees with her.

They‘re not even supporting her........

Gee...what does that mean?!

~eyeroll~  LOL!



Do you think they‘d be supporting her if it was their husband she screwed?



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  Posted: 11/18/2007 11:31 AM Subject: YOU can‘t SHAME ME!
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MrTrueBlue wrote:
ToucheBaby wrote:

Something else stands out to me on this thread........

All her so called "supporters".......they spend all their time trying to drag down anyone who disagrees with her.

They‘re not even supporting her........

Gee...what does that mean?!

~eyeroll~  LOL!



Do you think they‘d be supporting her if it was their husband she screwed?



Well first...we‘d watch them eat every word they said to ramble and then...like hypocrites do.....listen to them say they didnt say..."that."!!!! LOL!!

If one of the actual OW of certain members husband came in here.

Good lord ...it would be the longest thread in WS history! It would be a free for all!  LOL!

Ramble does bring one thing to the table though.....shes a perfect example of how affairs start.  She wasnt happy in her own marriage and sought comfort in another man.

Just because I understand how it happened....still doesn‘t make it right............

 

 



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lorrie wrote:
ladysheikmoon wrote:
ToucheBaby wrote:

Something else stands out to me on this thread........

All her so called "supporters".......they spend all their time trying to drag down anyone who disagrees with her.

They‘re not even supporting her........

Gee...what does that mean?!

~eyeroll~  LOL!



no clue ..lol

its like this...will it be ok since I was cheated on so many times that I just do it back?  Get real right..same thing in a way.  She is justifying her cheating on her childhood..so if I become the town slut that would be ok for me since I was the victim..

 



it might mean you have suffered a trama. and therefore may suffer with post tramatic stress disorder.

you wouldn‘t know about that. not being a real doctor.



I think its important to note.....now thanks to ramble.

Its possible for his wife to have PTSD now.....for selfish women.

More importantly.....ramble herself had no care or concern for her H and her MM‘s wife and child.

She is not the victim.  The ones she hurt are the true victims.

Moral of the story....don‘t date married men.



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  Posted: 11/19/2007 7:05 AM Subject: YOU can‘t SHAME ME!
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lorrie wrote:
ToucheBaby wrote:
lorrie wrote:
ladysheikmoon wrote:
ToucheBaby wrote:

Something else stands out to me on this thread........

All her so called "supporters".......they spend all their time trying to drag down anyone who disagrees with her.

They‘re not even supporting her........

Gee...what does that mean?!

~eyeroll~  LOL!



no clue ..lol

its like this...will it be ok since I was cheated on so many times that I just do it back?  Get real right..same thing in a way.  She is justifying her cheating on her childhood..so if I become the town slut that would be ok for me since I was the victim..

 



it might mean you have suffered a trama. and therefore may suffer with post tramatic stress disorder.

you wouldn‘t know about that. not being a real doctor.



I think its important to note.....now thanks to ramble.

Its possible for his wife to have PTSD now.....for selfish women.

More importantly.....ramble herself had no care or concern for her H and her MM‘s wife and child.

She is not the victim.  The ones she hurt are the true victims.

Moral of the story....don‘t date married men.



and don‘t take a man‘s word when he says he was fixed.


What can I say ...lorrie.....I didn‘t expect a successful business man to be so utterly stupid to something so basic as the concept of birth control.

He proved his sheer stupidity for 8 mos.

He had alot to lose......and lied anyway.  You would think a man like that would be intelligent enough to cover his own derriere.

Guess not...........

Now he can‘t bare to look in the mirror and see his self imposed stupidity glaring back at him either.................

~Shakes head~

Moral of the story...........never underestimate the power of ......stupid people.

His name is Reza.

So I call him the "RezaDue experience".............hahahaha

It can also be spelled   RezaDoo...hahahaha

Residue...all the same.

 



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ToucheBaby wrote:
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Moral of the story...........never underestimate the power of ......stupid people.

 



thats classic..

my new line..thanks

 



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  Posted: 11/19/2007 7:27 AM Subject: YOU can‘t SHAME ME!
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Don‘t take a mans word for anything------unless you want to get hurt.  


Pretty insulting to us men who have never cheated and only ever wanted a great family and a loving wife.


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lorrie wrote:

the only thing she did wrong on coming here was post this anywhere besides "woman‘s only".



No...what she did wrong was do what she wants to do no matter who she hurt in the process.

yes, she was hurt by this scumball of a MM.  She should have ratted him out to his wife...but she didn‘t.  She keeps saying that he needs to be held accountable...well...she is the one that should do it....not anyone else.

And what she did wrong is accept no responsibility for the pain she would cause....whether this guys wife found out or not.  He was married, she knew this, along with the MM himself, to a woman who was pregnant, ...yet she screwed him anyway.

point is, she acts like she did nothing wrong and its all about her victimization.  yet she doesn‘t realize she has victimized a couple of people in this too. ....but it is always someone elses fault...never hers.

Then comes on here and bashes men for the VERY SAME THING SHE DID!!!  If the men she rails against are scum...then what does that make her?



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DeeDee1 wrote:
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Don?t take a mans word for anything------unless you want to get hurt.  


Pretty insulting to us men who have never cheated and only ever wanted a great family and a loving wife.


Mr. True Blue--Sorry, didn‘t mean to insult you or chaos or any other man on here who wanted a great family and loving wife.  Unfortunately, not all men are like you.

All I ever wanted was the same you wanted, except with a man.  I just haven‘t had any luck in that area.   All I ever got was cheated on and physically and verbally abused.

I really don‘t want to be bitter---accept my apoligies.  



oh, no need to apologize...no harm.

I can understand the bitterness.  I am fairly bitter towards women, but only the women I know are untrustworthy. As for the rest, you have to find out as you take them.

I have a shield up when it comes to dating and keeps me from getting to involved with a woman unless I am sure about her.  Of course I just got divorced, so I am in no hurry.



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fastforward wrote:
No offense to any men on this site, but I am with lorrie on the point never trust a man that states he‘s fixed.   Never trust a man, period.  That‘s the experience of women on this site as bad as it sounds.  We are not saying there are no good men out there.  Perhaps there are.  I‘ve just met very, very, very few of them.  Perhaps there is a site for good men to go to bash women.  I just don‘t think this site is for that purpose, as I do say it is extremely difficult for some women to first recognize their problem and at the same time exit the relationship quickly.  


Well just ask to see the stitch scars...I have two of them, one on each side of my sack.


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fastforward wrote:
No offense to any men on this site, but I am with lorrie on the point never trust a man that states he‘s fixed.   Never trust a man, period.  That‘s the experience of women on this site as bad as it sounds.  We are not saying there are no good men out there.  Perhaps there are.  I‘ve just met very, very, very few of them.  Perhaps there is a site for good men to go to bash women.  I just don‘t think this site is for that purpose, as I do say it is extremely difficult for some women to first recognize their problem and at the same time exit the relationship quickly.  


No offense....and I know it bothers you I feel this way...but I think its very important for a woman not to trust or have sex with a man who is honest and upfront enough to admit hes married and his wife is pregnant.

Personally, I think those are very big red flags.  Don‘t you think?



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Am I the only one who cringes at the word "fixed"?  I feel like you‘re talking about a cat or a dog....well, on second thought, you probably are talking about a dog.


Yup.......a pretty short one too!  LOL

In the dog world he‘d be.........hummm.........one of those little weiner dogs.  haha!



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MrTrueBlue wrote:
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No offense to any men on this site, but I am with lorrie on the point never trust a man that states he‘s fixed.   Never trust a man, period.  That‘s the experience of women on this site as bad as it sounds.  We are not saying there are no good men out there.  Perhaps there are.  I‘ve just met very, very, very few of them.  Perhaps there is a site for good men to go to bash women.  I just don‘t think this site is for that purpose, as I do say it is extremely difficult for some women to first recognize their problem and at the same time exit the relationship quickly.  


Well just ask to see the stitch scars...I have two of them, one on each side of my sack.


Whoa!  God help the next man who tells me he‘s had one!

Sheeeezzzz....I won‘t bother to look for scars....I‘ll perform one myself!  LOL!

Just kidding!

Thought I should add.....no offense to you!

If I trust a man enough to be intimate..........I shouldn‘t have to look for scars.

 

 



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Yes Touche, they are BIG RED FLAGS that most woman can see.  But there are women that cannot because at the beginning of a relationship with a narcassist he puts such an exaggerated effort to win over his prey that she may not react.  Casting a spell would be equal in description.  That‘s just about as bad as it gets.  


You own a lot of swampland....don‘t you?  LOL!


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I read between the lines TrueBlue.  You are injured.  My sympathies go out to you.  Getting back to the posts, methinks you doth protest too much.  The lady has scars that perhaps will never heal.  She deserves the same sympathy.  G‘day.


Then she needs to extend that "sympathy" towards a fellow female and not fuck her husband.


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